Belting for nieces?

Angelina

hello, welcome to the forum

first of all i think you should have talked to your nieces before ordering the belts. how did you take the measurements? what did you tell them

well, now the belts are already there, but forcing or pressuring is always the worst option. first i would talk to both of them, maybe you can convince them with your arguments, if not you can of course try to talk them into a deal, so that you give them something in return if they wear the belts.

and no, legally you are not right, you must not legally force them

Jenna I did not realize the legalities part, and this is not something I can openly discuss with the authorities. I was under the impression that they are under my control until they were 18?

in certain areas you have control, but not when it comes to your niece's body. You can't hurt her on purpose or anything. Just because they are minors doesn't mean they don't have rights

Jenna I am hoping for an outcome where all sides agree.

That's OK in my opinion, but you should accept it even if you can't find a way to get their in the belt

Joh

Angelina if not you can of course try to talk them into a deal, so that you give them something in return if they wear the belts.

This is a bad advice. She is in an other position than their nieces. We had already discuss it their nieces are not in the position to oversee the consequences it will have.

Jenna

Angelina first of all i think you should have talked to your nieces before ordering the belts. how did you take the measurements? what did you tell them

Thank you for the welcome Angelina. It is nice to talk with adult females on this topic.

I took the measurement based on their clothing sizes. If they don't fit properly I will order new ones. Money is not an issue.

I agree about the idea of a deal. I am in control of significant financial assets for some many years to come. This may help.

Joh

Angelina that was not a grammatical error, because in the second post you do it again. i think as long as @Laura does not forbid me i can write with whom and what i want and @Jenna and others may decide for themselves if they want to read my opinion or not. i find these two posts unacceptable and disrespectful

I think what Avery meant is also my point of view about the past situation.

Angelina first i would talk to both of them, maybe you can convince them with your arguments, if not you can of course try to talk them into a deal, so that you give them something in return if they wear the belts.

At that state of the discussion Jennas situation was like a room with many closed doors and she didn't know which one would be the right one to be successful. More or less we tried to convince her not to go trough any door at all. Your comment, at this time, was as you would have open one door and showed the way which would be likely successful.
Averys comment was meant to prevent Jenna to go through that door. I also thought at that time this was not a good advice for the nieces but a good one for Jenna.

Jenna

Laura I understand what you are saying, that would be hypocritical of me. Perhaps we can work something out where the key is turned over upon college graduation? In any case this age is too young. However the older niece turns 18 in a few weeks.

Joh

Jenna However the older niece turns 18 in a few weeks.

If she 18 years old she can decide for herself.

Laura

Jenna However the older niece turns 18 in a few weeks.

Then your are safe to belt her after few weeks. I would go this way

Joh This is then blackmail and against the law

Not really

Angelina

Joh We had already discuss it their nieces are not in the position to oversee the consequences it will have.

then the consequences have to be discussed openly, but if they don't talk about it you can of course use this argument

Jenna I agree about the idea of a deal. I am in control of significant financial assets for some many years to come. This may help.

that would be more like putting pressure on and the big one will certainly get financial control herself when she is 18, i was thinking more about the fact that you might be able to finance your driver's license and car if they wear the belt or something like this

Joh

Jenna I agree about the idea of a deal. I am in control of significant financial assets for some many years to come. This may help.

This is then blackmail and against the law.

Laura

Jenna I took the measurement based on their clothing sizes

Clothing sizes are not enough. You must measure few things when the girls are naked

Jenna That can lead to other things though, like premarital sex, which I want to avoid at all costs

What do you care about? Premarital sex or masturbation?

audioguy58

Jenna I am in control of significant financial assets for some many years to come.

That’s the best possible situation to be in if you want to keep them in their belts past the age of 18.

Jenna

Laura I like this idea Laura, talk about options like a car, new clothes, etc. in exchange for belting. She will be 18 and free to make her own decision. Purse strings are a powerful weapon

Joh

Laura Not really

I agree we will not agree.
The best is to ask a lawyer.
@Jenna You should be aware that your decision may come back to you later when your nieces are independent and hold you accountable if it was against the law.

I don't see any problem if your nieces masturbate. May be you should change your view.

Jenna

Angelina Thank you Angelina for your input. I have seen your posts on other topics and appreciate your input.

Jenna

Joh That can lead to other things though, like premarital sex, which I want to avoid at all costs. My sister did that and that is why we are in this situation now.

I am not as concerned about the long term ramifications, but more of the short term dangers.

Joh

Jenna That can lead to other things though, like premarital sex, which I want to avoid at all costs. My sister did that and that is why we are in this situation now.

I may be or not. But you can teach and guide her. You should come in a situation with her that she trust you and seek your advice instead to put her in a chastity belt.
You don't learn responsible behaviour by being prevented from acting.

Renita

Jenna The girls are aware of this and have no issue

But you give them a bad example.

Jenna if I am wearing one at 35 what does that tell them?

That you are single, furthermore was never married. Age is not a problem, just your marital status.

Jenna like premarital sex, which I want to avoid at all costs. My sister did that and that is why we are in this situation now.

How about you? I doubt you are virgin. But it's not too late if you start wearing a chastity belt now.

Joh

Jenna I am in a committed monogamous relationship with another woman. The girls are aware of this and have no issue. My girlfriend stays over at the house maybe only once per month. We are discreet and she leaves early in the morning, before they get up.

Jenna That can lead to other things though, like premarital sex, which I want to avoid at all costs.

Why is your girlfriend leaving in the morning?
It sounds to me like you're not committed to your relationship. Furthermore, you are of the opinion that premarital sex should not happen, but you do it yourself.
As mentioned before, it takes a lot of trust with the key holder to whom you agree to take responsibility. Your behaviour is contradictory and you apply different values to your nieces and to yourself. There can be no trust.

I recommend that you first clarify for yourself what is right and wrong for you. Then start living by them. Only when you can show that you abide by the rules yourself can you demand the same from your nieces.

HHelen

Jenna I am not naïve, I know this goes on with girls her age, but I don't want her corrupting herself or worse her younger sister with these actions. Because of this I recently ordered chastity belts for each of them they arrived the other day and feel I must act sooner rather than later

When did you find out about chastity belts?

Jenna That can lead to other things though, like premarital sex, which I want to avoid at all costs

You should have taken care of this a long time ago.

Jenna I don't for sure, and it would break my heart if she wasn't.

Why don't you just check her hymen?

Avery

Jenna Thank you Angelina for your input. I have seen your posts on other topics and appreciate your input.

Jenna, I suggest you keep in mind that Angelina is only 18 and as such you probably should not trust her judgement in these matters any more than you trust your elder daughter's.

Angelina

Jenna Thank you Angelina for your input. I have seen your posts on other topics and appreciate your input.

with pleasure, i would say that the most important thing is that you come to an amicable solution. an open discussion is certainly the best measure, we can also talk about everything else here later.

Jenna The older one will be 18 soon so we can discuss on a more adult level.

I don't really want to say anything about it, but somehow I doubt that the younger one doesn't masturbate. 15 is already in the middle of puberty

Avery Jenna, I suggest you keep in mind that Angelina is only 18 and as such you probably should not trust her judgement in these matters any more than you trust your elder daughter's.

i ask you if you have a problem with my opinion to write to me personally and not to discredit my opinion as a response to other users' posts

Jenna Fair point, but I would like some suggestions on how to proceed. I am sure she can help with both my approach and what are surely going to be some difficult times ahead.

I will try to help you, but of course I will not tolerate everything.

Joh Get your own belt and wear it several weeks or month and than think about again if you still like to suggest it to your nieces.

i agree, i think that would be the best solution and after a few weeks we can discuss again

Avery Understandably she needs to rationalize that her situation is OK therefore she is going to be much more lenient with you than everybody else here.

sorry but this is nonsense, i have only made the experience that hitting someone with a hammer does not help anyone.
PS: I will not be censored by you.

Laura Clothing sizes are not enough. You must measure few things when the girls are naked

zhat's right, that also surprises me

Jenna I agree it is unfair, but for my oldest niece, the one caught masturbating, it is a must. She was clear about the rules of living with me and she broke them. The important thing now is to get her into a belt so she, and I can restore our relationship and I can be confident that this won't happen again.

at this point i disagree with you, a belt is not a solution to restore a relationship, it would only work if your niece also thinks it was wrong, otherwise the tensions only mount. if you want to restore the relationship you should talk to her and tell her why you don't want that, that's the only way you can convince her

Jenna

Joh Thank you Joh. I think we need to begin some dialogue soon. I want her to look at this as positive thing there to protect her and not punish her. The older one will be 18 soon so we can discuss on a more adult level.

Rina

Sin What you are talking about is the sexual abuse of a minor (and a family member).

@Jenna Being legal guardian doesn't mean you can abuse them, and forcing things like chastity belt on minor would certainly constitute child abuse. I agree to @Sin and you should find professional help instead.

Jenna

Rina Thank you Rina, I see that now. This must be voluntary. How would you suggest I proceed?

BikelockFugitive

Jenna TLTR you are not and there is a decent chance you can go to jail for child abuse.
Second of all these Belts gonna do nothing. Picking locks is not that hard and if you want there are ways that have been discussed on the forum to get past the secondary shield.

Just leave it be - it's better for everyone.

Joh

Avery God argument.

Jenna

Avery Fair point, but I would like some suggestions on how to proceed. I am sure she can help with both my approach and what are surely going to be some difficult times ahead.

Jenna

Renita my age gives me the experience to know where the mistakes will come, and they almost always for younger women. I am trying to guard against those mistakes now. I don't think me wearing a belt now does much to enhance my argument. I am not a virgin, but I want to keep them that way until they are old enough to understand the ramifications.

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