Music

Sin

I'm a big fan of Nick Cave, and when I heard Red Right Hand today it seemed strangely relevant to this site.

Angelina

Sin The world's first conservative goth punk!

well, that all punks and goths are left-wing is also a prejudice. i was at a goth meeting with friends the other day, and some of them also have conservative and liberal positions. I'm not really conservative either. PS: especially among goths, conservative values such as politeness are very widespread.

Sin I think the German equivalent would be "Proll"..

I know, but that's also kind of insulting (as I see it).

Sin

Angelina I wouldn't say punks and goths are necessarily left wing... just not conservative. Punk is by definition anti-establishment. And manners are not just the domain of right wing people. There are more than enough self-righteous assholes in that camp!

Sin

Angelina I know, but that's also kind of insulting (as I see it).

I'm not sure what a proll is, but Australians have a strange affection for "bogans". I guess it's due to our convict past, we are the scum of the earth after all.

It wasn't that many generations ago you could say to an Australian "Your dad is a bastard and your mum is a whore!" and the standard response would have been "Oh... Did you know them?"

Angelina

Sin I wouldn't say punks and goths are necessarily left wing... just not conservative. Punk is by definition anti-establishment. And manners are not just the domain of right wing people. There are more than enough self-righteous assholes in that camp!

you always have to distinguish between real right-wingers and conservatives. i am also anti-establishment, but not left-wing. that is a difference to many punks, but this anti-attitude connects us.
and goths and punks are two different worlds again. so far i have only met one person who belongs to both scenes.

Sin I'm not sure what a proll is, but Australians have a strange affection for "bogans". I guess it's due to our convict past, we are the scum of the earth after all.

well, both have something to do with being uneducated and vulgar.

Sin

Angelina uneducated and vulgar.

That sums up a bogan perfectly!

Angelina

Sin That sums up a bogan perfectly!

oh come on. i graduated from school with top marks and am on 95% in my studies. i hardly think i'm uneducated. 😉

But back to the music. Yesterday, after posting here, I listened to more goth classics again, most famously The Cure and Sisters of Mercy. 😉

LoonyMel

At the moment my two most listened artists are on a total different style. One is the group named Heilung and the other is Paul Shapera. Jumping from cyber/diesel/atompunk artist to north european ancient music and i love both.

...oh, and totally out of the blue, last tune i listened to was Lady In Black. Uriah Heep.

But that's the tip of the pointy part of the iceberg detached from my big arctic glacier.

Joh

Angelina Sisters of Mercy is great but not Goth. 1983 it didn't exist.

Angelina

Joh Sisters of Mercy is great but not Goth. 1983 it didn't exist.

and that's exactly why friends from the goth scene have seen the sisters at many goth festivals, well but we could have the same discussion about rock, pop, punk etc. it's a never ending discussion. 😂
for me i classified it as goth rock

Sin

Joh Sisters of Mercy is great but not Goth. 1983 it didn't exist.

Huh? The 80s was peak goth... Sisters of Mercy are goth icons! I have siblings that used to listen to them (and stuff like The Mission etc) and I have to say it hasn't aged very well. So cheesy! The Cure were good though. For a pop band.

I used to get a massive moisty for The Jesus and Mary Chain... Still do actually. Saw them a couple of years ago would have thrown my underwear at them if it wasn't locked on at the time! 💗

Joh

Sin Ok. I think it is open for individuelle interpretation when Goth started. Fin by me.

Angelina

funny thing is that in a couple of weeks i'm going to two meetings in the weekend, friday night a goth meeting and saturday night a punk meeting, that will take a lot of time to change and style 🤣

Sin

Here's a side of indigenous culture you don't see too often... For context, an unprofitable coal mine is being built by a broke Indian company on native land in Queensland:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qkHC_IZ-aGM

Angelina

Sin Here's a side of indigenous culture you don't see too often...

I listened briefly, somehow I expected something different from the look of the men, very interesting at least. 😂

curious

Guess because of my age, I am kind of the outsider in this thread. But maybe I can some of you introduce to music you would otherwise not have discovered? Here we go:
Mark Knopfler (solo as well as back in the days when he was the creative head and lead singer / guitar player of Dire Straits), U2, Toto, R. E. M.

hanna_anders

curious my mother has one of their CDs. Didnt he do a movie soundtrack too?

Sin

curious Dire Straits, U2, Toto, R. E. M

Dad? Is that you?! That's a total Dad-rock playlist if ever I heard one! 😛

I've seen U2 live (with Kanye West lol)... growing up I got why they were so big, but then they just disappeared up their own rock-god bum hole, and became irrelevant overnight.

I like REM, and I appreciate the technical skill of Dire Straits, but I think the problem with that kind of music is that commercial stations (in Australia at least) still play it all day every day, and have been since before I was born, and most likely will do after I die, and it makes me want to smash the radio. Which is a shame because I get why it's good, I just can't listen to it.

Angelina

curious Mark Knopfler (solo as well as back in the days when he was the creative head and lead singer / guitar player of Dire Straits), U2, Toto, R. E. M.

I know them all, even its's a bit too "soft" for me. I rather love the old rock classics like Queen, Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd. 😉

hanna_anders but rap is not music as far as I'm concerned

i agree, i don't really have a problem with rap, it's an art form too, but they should please stop claiming they are music 😂

PS: while we're talking about older music. i'm starting to think about "Iron Maiden" in a whole new way since i've been wearing the belt. 🤣

hanna_anders

I love rock, my favourite old rock album is Heaven and Hell by Black Sabbath, which my parents hated (of course)
It's funny how rock music seems to need an edge to it, a risk something dangerous - I was pushed into getting some music by Christian bands and wow it sucked 🙂
Big fan of anything with a beat I can dance to as well, but rap is not music as far as I'm concerned

Sin

hanna_anders rap is not music as far as I'm concerned

Massive Attack - Blue Lines album would beg to differ! One of the best albums ever.

curious

hanna_anders
Mark Knopfler has composed actually several movie scores. I believe his first was for 'Local Hero'. Probably also his best known, because the fantastic instrumental piece 'Going Home' is always performed at the end of each of his live concerts.
Another movie score would be for 'Last exit Brooklyn'.
He also wrote songs for other artists, e. g. 'Private Dancer' was written by him and then donated to Tina Turner to help her rescue her then stalling career - and it became a top hit.

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