What would you need for a chastity-friendly culture?

Ines

Sara2001

I believe,my opinion, it is excessive, and so many complexities will make hard a friendly view of chastity.
The ideas you propose are good for it to work, but I do not think they will expand the user base.
In my opinion, I think that if a celebrity used it, it would create a more powerful current, although surely brief, like any fashion.

Joh

Ines I believe,my opinion, it is excessive, and so many complexities will make hard a friendly view of chastity.
The ideas you propose are good for it to work, but I do not think they will expand the user base.
In my opinion, I think that if a celebrity used it, it would create a more powerful current, although surely brief, like any fashion.

Yes, this proposed complexity will not help.
If we enforce and under age restriction and celebrity would use it in public it would create an acceptance. And as you mentioned after the first hype it will decrease but still exist as an option.

Sara2001

Ines

I believe,my opinion, it is excessive, and so many complexities will make hard a friendly view of chastity.

Definitely. That's why I said the society shouldn't even try.

Ines The ideas you propose are good for it to work, but I do not think they will expand the user base.

Should they? I thought they should only give the possibility for the ones who really wants this for themselves.

Ines In my opinion, I think that if a celebrity used it, it would create a more powerful current, although surely brief, like any fashion.

I think if a celebrity shows her belt in public and promote it as something desirable, her career should end at this day. This celebrity would indirectly support sexual abuse and sexual abuse of minors.

Joh

Sara2001 Okay, let's play this game.

A system that makes it 100% sure that it can't be missused to force anyone to do anything would be necessary (impossible to achieve)
A society where different social norms in one society wouldn't be seen as a way to put yourself above someone else (impossible to achieve)
The government/state would be willing to control the chastity system and to strictly, strictly, strictly enforce the rules against missuse of chastity belts. Missuse of any kind must be seen as sexual abuse
Every kid must be educated in this area to be able to do a fact and knowledge based decision when she turns 18 and to ensure she knows her other options.
A system must be installed that makes it possible for any wearer to get out of the belt at any time without the need of a keyholder by going to some kind of office or something
Every wearer needs to do a mental health check every year, if she doesn't pass or doesn't do the check, the belt must be removed
Every keyholder needs to be registered and needs to do an education like a driver's license that needs to be renewed every year as well as a mental health check that needs to be passed.
Every wearer must have a kind of tutor to whom she can speak about everything at any time. They have to talk at least weekly. This person must not be a part of her social environment. If the tutor sees problems this person can decide about unlocking at any time.

I think if all this is given, I think it could work.

Super summary and reflections. Hits the spot!

Ines

Sara2001 This celebrity would indirectly support sexual abuse and sexual abuse of minors.

Buff..... no, I do not agree at all. With minors I I demand absolute respect in this forum. They have nothing to do with this. I was thinking More about a fashion, nothing related to parenting.

Sara2001 I think if a celebrity shows her belt in public and promote it as something desirable, her career should end at this day.

It may be so, or it may be that some conservative group supports his career and takes root in more conservative sectors.
Tell a woman my mother's age that corsets would be back in fashion.
I don't know, you may be right, but I would expect anything and I wouldn't rule out the other possibility either.

Sara2001 Should they?

Well, it is the topic oficial the thread 🤷🏻‍♀️

Sara2001

Ines Buff..... no, I do not agree at all. With minors I I demand absolute respect in this forum. They have nothing to do with this. I was thinking More about a fashion, nothing related to parenting

Me, too. It would lead to a situation where it is seen more normal for everyone including minors and especially their parents this would support the acceptance and therefore reduce the safety of children to not become forced wearers. Therefore the society should see this as something like walking nacked on a playground, except that it's on multiple playgrounds at the same time. A chastity belt is not like a new shoe. It's a device to control (someone else's) sexuality.

Ines Tell a woman my mother's age that corsets would be back in fashion.

How many teenagers are forced to wear a corset? I have never heard of any.

Ines Well, it is the topic oficial the thread 🤷🏻‍♀️

Why does a chastity friendly culture necessarily mean more chastity belt wearers? It means you shouldn't have problems because of your belt.and you shouldn't be seen as a lesser person. A transgender friendly society doesn't mean more transgender people,.too. Just that there is no more need for hiding.

Support by the society is only possible (and the right thing to do) if it's sure that it doesn't lead to more abuse and it is extremely likely that it would lead to more abuse when it's not heavily controlled.

Ines

Sara2001 How many teenagers are forced to wear a corset? I have never heard of any.

Anyone is forced, of course, but, again you are talking about forcing and about minors. I am, obviously, talking about fashion items.

Sara2001 Why does a chastity friendly culture necessarily mean more chastity belt wearers?

If it is accepted, more girls will want use it, I think it is a consequence.

Angelina

youdontknowme In the end, I think a good criterion to judge how "chastity-friendly" a cultural shift is would be its effect on the average happiness of chastity belt wearers.

right, if it were accepted in the mainstream that wearers of chastity belts were more satisfied with their lives, the belts would generally become more mainstream

Kaja Well, I understand why exist minimal age for sex

I would disagree, I would even rather support a minimum age for chastity belts (only in comparison). there is consensual sex, then it is none of the state's business, or there is forced sex, then it is rape and therefore a crime anyway

Joh Since I consider the prevention of the free development of sexuality to be a much greater intrusion into the personality than the restriction of wearing a chastity belt before the age of majority, the law should rigorously prohibit this.

a quick question, how do you want to control that? In contrast to my example with the headscarf, a chastity belt is under clothing and not obviously visible

Sara2001 Why does a chastity friendly culture necessarily mean more chastity belt wearers? It means you shouldn't have problems because of your belt.and you shouldn't be seen as a lesser person. A transgender friendly society doesn't mean more transgender people,.too. Just that there is no more need for hiding.

well written, I agree with you. because we are more open to different sexual orientations, there are no more homosexuals than there were 50 years ago, it only seems that way sometimes because they no longer have to hide so much

and I believe it was @youdontknowme who wrote something about the fit that should only be for adults. sorry if it wasn't you, but i got a bit lost in the wall of text. on the subject of fit. let's assume i as a 19 year old adult would really like to have a chastity belt, that would already cause problems for me because i have a rather childlike figure, i'm small and thin. means there are girls aged 12/13 who have the same body shape as me. so if we say we only make a fit for adults, that won't work, the body doesn't change automatically with the 18th birthday, it's a process that takes years

Sara2001

Ines Anyone is forced, of course, but, again you are talking about forcing and about minors. I am, obviously, talking about fashion items.

What I say is that by making it a fashion item, you support sexual abuse. It's not a fashion item. It's a device to enforce someone else's sexuality to be like the keyholder wants it to be. The main purpose of a chastity belt has nothing to do with fashion.

It's a device that makes a lot of women very unhappy, a device that is used to abuse them. Just because many people use it for other reasons doesn't mean we can ignore this aspect. Your question was what it's needs to make it more society friendly. I answered this. Your question was not how to make it as popular as possible, ignoring what it can cause to innocent teenagers.

If you want as many chastity belt as possible at all costs, make them free and make a campaign everywhere from any bus stop to any commercial break, talk about the benefits and hide the disadvantages in talk shows. Pay stars to wear it in public. But if you do this, be aware that you harm a lot of young girls because you help to bring them in a life where they have to wear a chastity belt against their will. Of course more girls would freely decide to wear one, too but the price for the others would be very high and I wouldn't want to live in a society where sexual abuse is willing accepted for a goal like this.

Ines If it is accepted, more girls will want use it, I think it is a consequence.

Only if it's made attractive, if you create something around it. Wearing grandma pants is well socially accepted but most teenage would prefer to go out naked before they would wear them.

Ines

Sara2001
Anda you are, again, talking about forced use, and I am talking about fashion, even I did not talk about keyholders!
And as you said perfectly, a friendly society does not mean a majority of girls wanting wear one and much less supporting forced use.
Anyone endorsing forced use is out of this forum.

youdontknowme

Angelina and I believe it was @youdontknowme who wrote something about the fit that should only be for adults. sorry if it wasn't you, but i got a bit lost in the wall of text. on the subject of fit. let's assume i as a 19 year old adult would really like to have a chastity belt, that would already cause problems for me because i have a rather childlike figure, i'm small and thin. means there are girls aged 12/13 who have the same body shape as me. so if we say we only make a fit for adults, that won't work, the body doesn't change automatically with the 18th birthday, it's a process that takes years

You misunderstand me. I am not saying that it should be illegal to make belts that could fit a child. But when making custom-fit belts, the manufacturer should have to verify the age of the person to whose measurements they are making the belt. I am going to assume that in a chastity-friendly world, there would always be an opportunity to have your measurements taken in person. Either in dedicated chastity shops, or maybe as a service that people like tailors could provide. Mailing out measurement kits and collecting sizing info over a web shop / e-mail, as is common with today's chastity belt vendors, would probably not be considered due diligence against child abuse in such a culture.

Sara2001 What I say is that by making it a fashion item, you support sexual abuse. It's not a fashion item. It's a device to enforce someone else's sexuality to be like the keyholder wants it to be. The main purpose of a chastity belt has nothing to do with fashion.

It's a device that makes a lot of women very unhappy, a device that is used to abuse them. Just because many people use it for other reasons doesn't mean we can ignore this aspect. Your question was what it's needs to make it more society friendly. I answered this. Your question was not how to make it as popular as possible, ignoring what it can cause to innocent teenagers.

Again, the idea is to spread awareness, present wearing it as a valid lifestyle choice and to avoid the stigma that only dirty perverts would wear steel underpants. Nobody is seriously planning to make D/s or lock-up-your-daughters dynamics the social norm. The examples I gave for public advocacy deliberately excluded the traditional wearer/keyholder relationship for a reason.

In the world I would wish for, any platform that provides advocacy for children being locked up by adult keyholders would be treated like places trading in illegal pornography are today.

I feel like some people here are under the impression that the only reason there are not more girls kept in chastity against their will is because most parents are not aware that modern belts exist. But I reckon the number of people who would be willing to do such a thing is not that much larger than the number of people who would abuse their children in other ways (of course including "well-meaning" ones like violent corporal punishments, I am not merely talking the unmentionable here). So while chastity belt awareness might create a few victims, I also believe that the amount of measures needed to offset that would be fairly moderate.

Sara2001

Ines Anda you are, again, talking about forced use, and I am talking about fashion,

Yes, because one leads to the other, so basically we talk about the same thing.

Angelina there is consensual sex, then it is none of the state's business, or there is forced sex, then it is rape and therefore a crime anyway

To make a consensual decision, you need to have a certain age. A 5 years old boy can't agree to consensual sex. There has to be a limit and a rule.

Angelina a quick question, how do you want to control that? In contrast to my example with the headscarf, a chastity belt is under clothing and not obviously visible

By punishment that are hard and a police who consequently controls it.

Angelina the body doesn't change automatically with the 18th birthday, it's a process that takes years

Not my suggestion. It would be more effective if only wearers are allowed to pick a chastity up (no sending by mail) and it has to fit.

youdontknowme Again, the idea is to spread awareness, present wearing it as a valid lifestyle choice and to avoid the stigma that only dirty perverts would wear steel underpants

Yes and this attracts people who want to force their daughters.

youdontknowme So while chastity belt awareness might create a few victims, I also believe that the amount of measures needed to offset that would be fairly moderate.

How many victims are acceptable to create a more chastity friendly society? At what point is it no longer okay to destroy the life of teenagers for a sexual fetish. And yes, it is definitely a fetish. It is a device to control sexuality and it is not the norm, so what's the difference between wearing a chastity belt and a fetish?

Joh

youdontknowme But when making custom-fit belts, the manufacturer should have to verify the age of the person to whose measurements they are making the belt.

This will not work as we can see. If the industry is responsible to check it they have no interest in losing a business. They will find a way around like it was not for a child it was for a short women.
What you write as you imagine it sounds nice but will never become reality in the foreseeable future. It presupposes things and insights that, if we look around, will never happen. The views of what is okay and what is not are too different. In Germany, children are forced to wear a CB even though it is against the law. We see that the industry is only doing what is necessary to protect its customers in order to keep its profits high.

Sara2001 It would be more effective if only wearers are allowed to pick a chastity up (no sending by mail) and it has to fit.

Good idea but if this would be introduce from the government the companies would likely stop their business. A belt is expensive and if you have to travel their to get it it would minimise their business. Just imagine if you wanted one from Fancy Steel and you had to fly to Australia to get it.

Angelina

youdontknowme would probably not be considered due diligence against child abuse in such a culture.

But that would have to be regulated by law, otherwise the manufacturers would not do it voluntarily because the control would cause costs.

Sara2001 To make a consensual decision, you need to have a certain age. A 5 years old boy can't agree to consensual sex. There has to be a limit and a rule.

ok, i'll take a step back, but it shouldn't be a fixed limit, but a variable limit that also takes into account the age of the partner. it doesn't seem logical to me, as in germany, if a 14 year old boy is not allowed to have sex with his 13 year old girlfriend, but is allowed to have sex with her 40 year old mother.

Sara2001 By punishment that are hard and a police who consequently controls it.

the question would then be how far the checks can go without the policeman making himself a criminal offence. i don't think it would be legal for the police to just look under every skirt.

Joh Just imagine if you wanted one from Fancy Steel and you had to fly to Australia to get it.

in this fictitious society there would of course be small branches in all countries where the belts can be bought. fancysteel would have small shops in germany and mysteel small ones in australia

youdontknowme Obviously you would ID the person being measured, not the person paying.

that wouldn't eliminate abuse, but it would reduce it significantly, so it's a good idea. but then it would need a minimum age for belts again, and i'm against that, because sexuality doesn't develop on one special birthday.

youdontknowme

Joh This will not work as we can see. If the industry is responsible to check it they have no interest in losing a business. They will find a way around like it was not for a child it was for a short women.
What you write as you imagine it sounds nice but will never become reality in the foreseeable future. It presupposes things and insights that, if we look around, will never happen. The views of what is okay and what is not are too different. In Germany, children are forced to wear a CB even though it is against the law. We see that the industry is only doing what is necessary to protect its customers in order to keep its profits high.

We already do it for stuff like alcohol or cigarettes. No sale without ID and very limited sales to adults accompanied by minors.

Sara2001 How many victims are acceptable to create a more chastity friendly society? At what point is it no longer okay to destroy the life of teenagers for a sexual fetish. And yes, it is definitely a fetish. It is a device to control sexuality and it is not the norm, so what's the difference between wearing a chastity belt and a fetish?

I am going off the assumption that most people who would be abuse victims in the new world already are abuse victims in this world. That the number of new victims created would be less than the number of victims that could be protected with measures that are more easily realized and unintrusively in a world where people know what those steel panties are.

Sara2001

Joh Good idea but if this would be introduce from the government the companies would likely stop their business. A belt is expensive and if you have to travel their to get it it would minimise their business. Just imagine if you wanted one from Fancy Steel and you had to fly to Australia to get it.

They could open stores wherever they want. Not necessary to go to the factory itself. But the point is, if it should become a bigger part of the society, a device like a chastity belt needs a lot more regulations then currently to prevent abuse.

Joh

youdontknowme We already do it for stuff like alcohol or cigarettes. No sale without ID and very limited sales to adults accompanied by minors.

Yes, it should be but too many get it anyway. Showing your ID is not helpful as there are too many ways to get around it.

Sara2001

youdontknowme I am going off the assumption that most people who would be abuse victims in the new world already are abuse victims in this world

So making it even easier for them is not a big deal or what are you trying to say?

youdontknowme That the number of new victims created would be less than the number of victims that could be protected with measures that are more easily realized and unintrusively in a world where people know what those steel panties are.

I strongly disagree with that assumption. Is there any proven incident where a chastity belt protects a victim from getting raped? I think that it's more likely that it's more likely that a victim gets severely injured or even killed when a rapist finds out that there is a chastity belt and become mad because of it. So congratulations she didn't get raped, just killed. Way better for the honor of the family.

Sara2001

Joh Yes, it should be but too many get it anyway. Showing your ID is not helpful as there are too many ways to get around it.

Doing the same like with cigarettes or alcohol would protect all children of parents who are minors. Parents with teenage kids are normally adults who could buy belts for their children. This brings absolutely no security.

youdontknowme

Sara2001 I strongly disagree with that assumption. Is there any proven incident where a chastity belt protects a victim from getting raped? I think that it's more likely that it's more likely that a victim gets severely injured or even killed when a rapist finds out that there is a chastity belt and become mad because of it. So congratulations she didn't get raped, just killed. Way better for the honor of the family.

I was thinking more along the lines of public knowledge meaning increased scrutiny against non-consensual wear, rather than the belt itself providing protection.

Sara2001 So making it even easier for them is not a big deal or what are you trying to say?

I am saying that the scenario people like you are proposing where people go "oh, chastity belts actually exist, I need to get one to lock it on my daughter against her will" seems about as likely as getting killed by a falling wayside shrine.

Sara2001 Doing the same like with cigarettes or alcohol would protect all children of parents who are minors. Parents with teenage kids are normally adults who could buy belts for their children. This brings absolutely no security.

Chastity belts are made to measure if they are supposed to be suitable for long-term wear. Obviously you would ID the person being measured, not the person paying. Boys would actually be more at risk in that case, since those cages come closer to one-size-fits-most than even adjustable belts (but on the flip side, are also more easily circumvented).

Sara2001

youdontknowme I am saying that the scenario people like you are proposing where people go "oh, chastity belts actually exist, I need to get one to lock it on my daughter against her will" seems about as likely as getting killed by a falling wayside shrine.

I don't know anyone who was killed by a falling wayside shrine, but I know several girls who where (or are) forced to wear a chastity belt against their will. Including myself before marriage. Something must be wrong with your assumption. I am sure that if it's more popular it will happen more often.

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