High heels shoes

Ines

Mr-TM and those who are not.

Disagree. Simply is easier do not learn to walk over them. Every girl should learn to walk with them, in some moments are so mandatory as a smokin,(smokin means "tuxedo suit" in Spain),for the men.

curious

Ines Every girl should learn to walk with them, in some moments are so mandatory as a smoking for the men.

What do you mean with smoking for men?
I know that in some cultures (e. g. Hispanic, Russia, Eastern Europe), smoking is still extremely widespread and sometimes even considered culturally appropriate, however the adverse health effects are well documented and many countries are increasingly moving away from smoking into a smoke free culture. In the US smoking has had a bad reputation for decades. Australia is going strong with anti smoking campaigns and laws that make smoking less attractive. Same in many (mostly northern) European countries.

Mr-TM

Ines mandatory as a smoking for the men.

What do you mean by that? Is, for you, a man not a man if he doesn't smoke? Are non-smoking men unattractive for you?
Well, I can say that I have never smoked and that's good. I come from a corner of Germany where people are not stingy but thrifty (the Germans certainly know where that is), so it would be too expensive for me alone. But as @curious has already written it is proven that smoking is harmful to health.

Sin

Ines Every girl should learn to walk with them

Not possible... at full toe flexion a bone-on-bone impingement is really common in women, and no amount of practice is going to help in those situations. On the bright side, ballet boots would totally suit!

Angelina

Mr-TM In the meantime I have the assumption that there are girls who are born to wear high heels and those who are not. Or can you imagine that an 8 year old girl stands for the first time in 10 cm high heels and walks perfectly in them?

Ines Disagree. Simply is easier do not learn to walk over them. Every girl should learn to walk with them, in some moments are so mandatory as a smokin,(smokin means "tuxedo suit" in Spain),for the men.

so i think @Ines is right and wrong at the same time. it is of course a matter of learning, if i start learning it i will surely be able to do it eventually. but i don't agree with @Ines that it is compulsory in any form, the same goes for smokins, both can be done by adequate substitute products 😉

Mr-TM

I think Smokin was confused with smocking 😂

Ines

curious

No, I am not talking about cigarettes! 😂.
My bad.
Smokin is Spanish term for "Tuxedo suit".
Idiomatic barrier.

curious Hispanic

Not here, of course. Smokin is forbidden amolst everywhere.

curious Same in many (mostly northern) European countries.

I can say the same of Portugal, France and Italy, southern countries. I do not know status in the other countries.

curious adverse health effects are well documented

Of course. Smoking is not only an awful habit, but also dangerous.

Max9

curious What do you mean with smoking for men?

Ines No, I am not talking about cigarettes! 😂.

https://de.toonpool.com/cartoons/No%20Smoking_353096#img9

Sin

Ines No, I am not talking about cigarettes! 😂.
My bad.
Smoking is Spanish term for "Tuxedo suit".
Idiomatic barrier.

Ha I've never heard of that! But I must admit I'm a sucker for a man in a sharp suit. 😄

Sin

Yeah I literally don't know anyone who smokes, and it's a deal breaker if a guy lights up in front of me. Gross.

Mr-TM

OK, suits are something else. Preferably with a bow tie.

Ines

Sin On the bright side, ballet boots would totally suit!

Well... I could accept the change, if the girl wear them. 😂

hanna_anders

Sin On the bright side, ballet boots would totally suit!

I can walk easily in very high heels (6" or 15cm) but the thought of ballet boots is scary - I have seen videos of girls walking in them like they are easy so it must be possible, but I'd be quite nervous of them. I think you're right some women can walk in heels some just can't.

Ines

Angelina the same goes for smokins, both can be done by adequate substitute products

I think they do not have such substitutes.

Angelina

Ines I think they do not have such substitutes.

There is but I don't know the English words for it. in German it is "Sakko" and "Frack"

curious

Angelina
"Frack" is 'tails' in English. Quite fitting if you think of the looks. While we use the word "Smoking" in German, as Ines has meanwhile corrected herself, the English term is 'Tuxedo' often abbreviated as just 'Tux'.
'Sakko' is obviously the less formal attire, usually just part of a suit. I think the most adequate translation would be 'dress jacket'. Just as you would translate 'Anzughose' with dress pants.

Ines

curious
Frac is used here too.
Here we use "smocking" or "smokin" I corrected myself in order to avoid mistakes.

However, in protocol, Frac, is higher than a smokin.
Frac is the most elegant masculine attire.

Angelina

curious "Frack" is 'tails' in English. Quite fitting if you think of the looks. While we use the word "Smoking" in German, as Ines has meanwhile corrected herself, the English term is 'Tuxedo' often abbreviated as just 'Tux'.
'Sakko' is obviously the less formal attire, usually just part of a suit. I think the most adequate translation would be 'dress jacket'. Just as you would translate 'Anzughose' with dress pants.

so i know my father has several "Sakkos" and a "Frack", but he only wears it on very special occasions (my wedding will be one). But he has no Smokins if i remember correctly 😂

curious

Tails (Frack) is indeed the highest level of formality, but considered outdated and old fashioned. There are just very few events in the world where this is mandatory and a tuxedo considered not formal enough. The only event I can think of right now is the annual Vienna Opera Ball.

Ines

curious very few events

Here people get married with it.

Tonyand03

Interesting comments about tuxedos etc. Men's clothes are booooring. Boring boring boring. Tuxedos sum it up perfectly. We're all supposed to wear exactly the same outfit, a different coloured bow tie being the height of daring individuality. Gaaah!!!

Mr-TM

hanna_anders but the thought of ballet boots is scary

Well, ballet boots are already something extreme. But after ballet dancers manage to stand on their toes without the support of a solid shaft, women can also walk in ballet boots.
But, just as a ballet dancer needs years of training to become a top dancer, the same is true for ballet boots.

bdsamm

hanna_anders It helps a lot if the girl had ballet training when youngl That develops the extreme arch needed for the ballet boots/heels. But it is a very interesting look. The fact you can walk in 6 inch heels is great.

I should also add that the quality of the shoe/boot is another factor in ease of walking in them. The shoes and boots from the Italian maker "PunitiveShoes.com" are much easier to walk in than the stuff from Pleaser or Amazon. There are modifications you can make to the heel on those that helpt but if you really want to walk in them, go with the better brands.

6373e6b2

Angelina I think that”smoking” is not a particular piece of clothing, but it describes the combination of jacket (“Sakko”) and pants that match, with the jacket having somewhat more pronounced lapels.

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