Max9 It's not the point if they want to marry or not. When they decide to marry without the belt and absolutely free it's fine. But in this case the belt is one of the reasons for the marriage. That's the problem.

      a_father You are both still children. You'll understand, when you grow older. I can understand you but turning 18 doesn't make you an adult. So the question IS the right question.

      well, i have had different experiences. i know couples who have been together since their teens and are still happy today and couples who got married in their 40s and divorced a few years later. it depends on whether you can handle different situations, there is no perfect age for that.

      a_father But in this case the belt is one of the reasons for the marriage.

      then I'll say it again very clearly. I would rather stay a virgin until I am 70 than marry someone I don't love. this wedding is of my own free will.

          a_father But in this case the belt is one of the reasons for the marriage.

          This is an assumption I can't conclude from Angelina's writing.

              Joh This is an assumption I can't conclude from Angelina's writing.

              let me put it this way, it is at least not the main reason and also not the reason for the wedding in general.

                  Joh I agree.
                  I assume that if you get married, it is because you really feel the bond. Then the intention is there to be forever and not only for a foreseeable time. This also means that you are ready to work on the relationship if there are problems.

                  Right,it's my opinion too.

                  Joh In my opinion, it is a big mistake if we ignore the past. We can learn a lot if we look carefully and do not make the mistakes again.

                  Sure,but the changes,in this case,are too big,to make the comparison valid,in my opinion.

                  Even if we try to take these into account.

                  Angelina i think so too and camryn is an extremely likeable person, i just think the idea of me loving a girl takes some getting used to for her 🙂

                  I hope she would accept it soon,or,at least,at your wedding!🙂

                          Vanessa I hope she would accept it soon,or,at least,at your wedding!🙂

                          if not, she will not be invited 😂

                              Angelina

                              😉

                              It would be the case for Emilie's family.Her sister would probably be her bridesmaid(she supports us),her parents would be guests(even if they don't approve),but I don't think there would be much more members of her family,as they almost all are totally against lesbian relationship,and even more against lesbian wedding...

                                  Vanessa

                                  well, in our case there would be very few family members anyway (mine is rather small and in camryn's case most of them still live in the USA, so it's difficult), but at least the nuclear family i would like to have with me on the most important day of my life.

                                      Angelina let me put it this way, it is at least not the main reason and also not the reason for the wedding in general

                                      That is clear, but it is ONE reason. That's the problem. In this case your father has an influence. That is the problem

                                          a_father That's the problem.

                                          it is not a problem for me, it would be a problem if it had an influence on whether we get married at all and that is not the case.

                                              a_father But it has an influence on WHEN you get married....

                                              maybe yes, maybe no. who can say. it could also be that we would have married so early even without my belt, we don't know.

                                                Angelina

                                                Good both families accept your relationship.

                                                Maybe her family can plan a short trip to Germany when you marry...

                                                    Vanessa Maybe her family can plan a short trip to Germany when you marry...

                                                    camryn's grandparents come to germany twice a year anyway, so they will be there. with the rest of the family it is rather difficult.

                                                        Vanessa Let's hope they would manage it!🙂

                                                        i hope so too, apart from her grandparents, i don't know many of her relatives from the us. i would be happy if i met them. 🙂

                                                            Vanessa You never met them?Even by webcam?

                                                            rather rare. Camryn sometimes talks to them on the phone, but it is also very difficult because Camryn always has to translate. Her grandparents are very nice, but communication is very difficult. 😂

                                                                Angelina

                                                                They don't speak german?

                                                                So,everyone talking in english?

                                                                I generally feel english native speaker are harder to understand than french native speakers speaking english;I guess sit is the same for every language.

                                                                    Vanessa They don't speak german?

                                                                    So,everyone talking in english?

                                                                    yes, apart from camryn and her parents, no one in the family speaks german

                                                                    Vanessa I generally feel english native speaker are harder to understand than french native speakers speaking english;I guess sit is the same for every language.

                                                                    yes, i have also noticed here on the forum that i have the most problems understanding native english speakers.