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youdontknowme

Angelina yes it is a short period of time, but i am not a prussian

To Bavarians, every German outside of Bavaria is a Prussian. To Austrians, everyone in Germany is a Prussian.

Max9

Angelina yes it is a short period of time, but i am not a prussian

You are from Westphalia, so you are a prussian... there are only bavarians, franconians (who are bavarins) swabians (who partly are bavarians), saxonians (who are prussians) and prussians.

Angelina

Max9 You are from Westphalia, so you are a prussian... there are only bavarians, franconians (who are bavarins) swabians (who partly are bavarians), saxonians (who are prussians) and prussians.

they are all germans. of course we can be divided up and each region has its own characteristics, but for a strong germany there needs to be a common germany. 😉

Avery

Avery All of which makes sense. It actually did occur to me that it's summer there. I bet you're right about the pictures. A few weeks back I thought she said ten days to go which would have made it last weekend so I was confused when nothing showed up last Sunday. I've noticed several Aussie weddings over the years following runners. They always seem to do nice outdoorsy ceremonies instead of in some stuffy old church.

They had a truck with the date on it, 16/12/2021, so the ceremony was a Thursday. The happy couple are now on Whitsunday Islands.

youdontknowme

Angelina
Spoken like a true Prussian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/NB_1866-1871.99.svg/1280px-NB_1866-1871.99.svg.png

Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein...

Angelina

youdontknowme Spoken like a true Prussian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/NB_1866-1871.99.svg/1280px-NB_1866-1871.99.svg.png

Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein...

But the map is no longer up to date, somehow we lost a part of it. 😂

Max9 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigreich_Preu%C3%9Fen?wprov=sfla1

"zwischen 1701 und 1918."

Max9 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigreich_Bayern?wprov=sfla1

"Das Königreich existierte bis in das Jahr 1918,"

Everything no longer up to date 😉

Max9

Westfalia was indeed Bavarian once many centuries ago, but since then it's been a solid part of Prussia. Broussia (what means Prussia) Dortmund, for example, still call themself prussians. That's the way it is and that will never change.

youdontknowme

Max9 Westfalia was indeed Bavarian once many centuries ago, but since then it's been a solid part of Prussia.

Westphalia was Saxon, independent and ultimately Prussian, but never Bavarian. Do not slander us like that.

Max9

@Angelina
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigreich_Preu%C3%9Fen?wprov=sfla1
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinereich_Breissn?wprov=sfla1
and later the free state of prussia

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigreich_Bayern?wprov=sfla1
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinereich_Bayern?wprov=sfla1
and now the free state of bavaria

Max9

youdontknowme not completwly that's right, i'm not 100% sure, but I remember that the Wittelsbacher had owned some land there for a sgort amount of time... around the 12 / 13th century or earlier... they couldn't hold it and later focused on the palatinate...

Max9

youdontknowme Weitere Territorien des Heiligen Römischen Reichs, die zeitweilig von Mitgliedern des Hauses regiert wurden, waren das Kurfürstentum Köln (1583–1761), das Herzogtum Jülich-Berg (1614–1794/1806), das Hochstift Lüttich, die Mark Brandenburg (1323–1373), die Grafschaften Tirol (1342–1363/1369) sowie Holland, Hennegau und Seeland (1345–1432) sowie das Herzogtum Bremen-Verden (1654–1719). Zweimal, 1619 und 1742, waren Wittelsbacher Gegenkönige in Böhmen.

youdontknowme

Max9 if you count all territories that had a ruler from house Wittelsbach at times, that would include Brandenburg, the heartland of what would later be known as Prussia. Also keep in mind the Bavarian line of house Wittelsbach went extinct and the palatine line took over, so does that mean Bavaria is part of the Rhine Palatinate?

youdontknowme

Max9 Weitere Territorien des Heiligen Römischen Reichs, die zeitweilig von Mitgliedern des Hauses regiert wurden, waren das Kurfürstentum Köln (1583–1761), das Herzogtum Jülich-Berg (1614–1794/1806), das Hochstift Lüttich, die Mark Brandenburg (1323–1373), die Grafschaften Tirol (1342–1363/1369) sowie Holland, Hennegau und Seeland (1345–1432) sowie das Herzogtum Bremen-Verden (1654–1719). Zweimal, 1619 und 1742, waren Wittelsbacher Gegenkönige in Böhmen.

Also, none of those are Westphalia, though some parts of the Rhineland are in there.
And if a Wittelsbacher head makes pre-Napoleonic Palatinate Bavarian, then the Hohenzollern make Prussia Swabian. Interestingly, the branch of house Wittelsbach that once held Brandenburg was Bavarian, not Palatine.

Max9

youdontknowme No, that doesnt brlong to us anymore of course, it was just governed by us once many centuries ago.
Well, as the palatinate based line of the Wuttelsbacher took over it doesn't chanf anything - because palatinate was just as much psrt of bavaris and upper palatinate is now.

Max9

youdontknowme Not every country that was occupied or for any other reason governed fpr a limited timespan by another country is automattically part of it. The palatinate, in contrast, was fully integrated into the bavarian kingdom

youdontknowme

Angelina Well yeah, that is when kings were removed from Germany. They still continues to exist as states, Bavaria until today and Prussia until 1947, when the allies took it from us. But Prussia lives on in the hearts of Brandenburgers, Rhinelanders and Westphalians, though mostly in the shape of football clubs like Borussia Dortmund, Borussia Mönchengladbach or Preußen Münster.

Max9

Angelina zwischen 1701 und 1918."

A Prussian will always be a Prussian, unless he merges to another culture and national identity which didn't happen, except for some emigrants.

Angelina

youdontknowme

Max9

unfortunately, i think that's a bit too small. i know the cultural struggles within our federal country, there are also many struggles near me, for example cologne against düsseldorf etc. but i think if we let ourselves be played out culturally within germany, we won't be able to fight the dangers from outside. unity and justice and freedom are exactly what we should orientate ourselves towards throughout germany. 😃

Avery

australian animals are really very interesting. either very cute or very dangerous, or both 😉

youdontknowme

Max9 Honestly, most of Prussia's latter-day territorial acquisitions (i.e. everything other than Brandenburg and the stuff that is no Poland) only ever partially embraced Prussianness. We Rhinelanders and Westphalians and Saxons and whatever else sure enjoyed the grandeur of Prussia, its love for industry and acceptance of religious and cultural diversity, but if even two Rhinelanders will argue for their life which side of the Rhine is the correct one, most of their allegiance to Prussia is just a form of pan-Germanism, because for almost 70 years and four different types of German nation, except for some weird mountain tribes, Prussia was Germany.

Avery

Saw some really excellent Aussie animals on Instagram in pictures from the Moonlit Wildlife Sanctuary in Melbourne. Koalas and kangaroos, of course, plus yellow bellied gliders, dingos, wombats, and tawny frogmouths. Really cool stuff.

Joh

Angelina australian animals are really very interesting. either very cute or very dangerous, or both

Oh, yes. Snakes, Box Jelly Fish, or Blue Circle Octopus to name some.

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