Chastity and chastity belts in the Abrahamic religions ...

Amira

aslan_asena
interesting 🙂
Especially about Quran 24:31 that refers to Satr al-ʿAura, which means guarding or covering the private parts. So we just have to make sure we know what is meant by private parts and there are a lot of different opinions about that.

I like best the way of thinking of Ibn al-ʿArabī who just refers to Quran 7:22 "And when they tasted of the tree, their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten together over themselves from the leaves of Paradise"

So according to that only the genital area has to be guarded or covered 🙂

aslan_asena

Thank you for your great comment. Did he state this in al-futuhat?

May I kindly ask if you could provide me a web link or a book title about his ideas? Until now, I only new about liberal views of Muhammad Asad or Musa Bigiev. But Ibn Arabi's thought is even more amazing. So it would be legislated to wear a chastity belt only?

Amira

He has written that in the Aḥkām al-Qurʾān in Volume 2, that would be translated provisions of quran.

Hm, I don't think he had anything about chastity belts in mind when he has written it, but he says that only these parts of the body have to be covered. But I think it is a good argument for not wearing anything else than the centerpiece of the chastity belt.

aslan_asena

Amira Okay, the Maliki jurist Abū Bakr Ibn al-ʿArabī, the friend of Qadi ‘Iyad? Not the famous Sufi master. Thank you for sharing the resources. This is just great. :-)

I also believe that hifz al-furūj / „guarding private parts“ can be achieved with a chastity belt rather than a veil.

aslan_asena

Amira Just out of curiosity: Will you be unbelted for ʻĪd al-Fiṭr / the festival of fast breaking? 😀

I think, that would be nice.

Selin_Weiss

Nice discussion and interesting knowledge. 😀

Just imagine that all headscarf wearing Muslim girls had chastity belts instead. 😃

I would strongly approve!

Angelina

Selin_Weiss

even though i do not support the public display of religious symbols (no matter what religion), i think it is still better than having everyone wear belts

Selin_Weiss

Angelina I think it is still better than having everyone wear belts

What kind of disatvantages do you see? With more demands, the market for chastity belts would become better (more quality, lower prices).

On the other hand, not every girl got introduced into chastity with a soft and playful approach like me. How were your first experiences? Did your father grant you enough time for training?

Angelina

Selin_Weiss What kind of disatvantages do you see?

more girls who involuntarily have to wear a belt 🙂

Selin_Weiss Did your father grant you enough time for training?

i had a training over 2 weeks . it started with 4 hours , after one week i wore the belt also at night and after 2 weeks i was at 24/7 . a fast training but it was enough to get (at least) my skin used to it

aslan_asena

Angelina involuntarily have to wear a belt

Headscarfs can also be worn involuntarily. I would rather prefer my belt.

Angelina after one week i wore the belt also at night

Sounds quite hard. I'm sorry for you. :-(

Angelina

aslan_asena Headscarfs can also be worn involuntarily

of course that's just as bad, I don't like either

aslan_asena Sounds quite hard. I'm sorry for you. :-(

do you think you're ready to wear the belt while you sleep?

aslan_asena

Angelina of course that's just as bad, I don't like either

Yes, it is. And, well, a chastity belt at least does not prevent its wearer from dressing sexy. 😀

Angelina do you think you're ready to wear the belt while you sleep?

Unfortunately, not yet. I'm in week # 1 of my training and still not completely used to my belt. And I still have my habit of giving my clit loving attention before falling asleep. I still have a long way to master for becoming a chaste girl.

Even conservative Muslims do not wear their headscarfs at home (when no foreign visitors are present). They use it as gear for being in public. Why not using a belt when leaving the house instead? That would not be harsh ...

Okay, some conservatives may enforce 24/7 to prevent masturbation. But this would still be more moderate than never allowing the girl to go outside and meet friends (a headscarf would offer no protection, but a belt could protect and entitle traditional Muslim girls to have more fun in public) ...

Angelina

aslan_asena still not completely used to my belt.

this will probably never happen 🙁 but sometime you can fall asleep despite the belt 😉

audioguy58

aslan_asena I really do like these scholarly, academic posts that add to our body of knowledge!

aslan_asena

Quite funny to see mainstream translations of Numbers 31:50 …

“So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.” (New International Version)

Andrew

aslan_asena Quite funny to see mainstream translations of Numbers 31:50 …

“So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.” (New International Version)

I prefer translation from the circle of Jewish Orthodoxy:

"We therefore wish to bring an offering for God—any man who found a gold article of women’s jewelry, be it an anklet, a bracelet, a ring, an earring, or a chastity belt—to atone for our souls before God for any lustful thoughts we may have had toward the Midianite women" 😉

(https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2504451/jewish/Interpolated-Translation.htm)

It should be remembered, however, that this is not a chastity belt in the modern sense, but a ring for infibulation of the vulva (in the Hebrew original the word "kumaz", the meaning of which is explained by Rashi in the commentary on the Talmud).

Damien

@Anniegreen this thread has some original contributions you might be interested in

Anniegreen

Damien ah, thank you ., i didnt see this one yet

Joh

Andrew kumaz", the meaning of which is explained by Rashi in the commentary on the Talmud

Do you have a link to the explanation?