Chastity bra

Angelina

Raquel To sum up, I think that two keyholders have made their decision and another one, although it doesn't sound bad, has the problem that the girls will not willingly accept that decision.

let me guess, the third keyholder is @Ines' father? i don't understand sometimes in your family why you talk so much around essential points, it makes it hard to understand what is happening with you.

Ines

Angelina

National differences. 😅
I think that Germans are very direct, I think that all is clear, but without be rude.
Every country has its uses.

Rafael

Angelina let me guess, the third keyholder is @Ines' father? i don't understand sometimes in your family why you talk so much around essential points, it makes it hard to understand what is happening with you.

Ines National differences. 😅

curious So if I get that right, Ines will have to wear a chastity bra in the future, even though she frequently said she really does not like steel bras?

Yes, you are right.
First of all I remember an explanation about the approaches to issues in each country, which we were told in business school.
It compared the conversations to hamburger, with the meat being a positive thing or thing you liked , and the bun being some problem to be negotiated or solved.
In a conversation with a Frenchman, the scheme was bread-meat-bread, with a Spaniard, meat-bread-bread and with the Germans bread-bread-meat.
Nobody should take that joke badly.

As Angelina says, that is the situation. My brother-in-law is in favor of offering his girls more security by making them wear the bra as my other brother-in-law and I have thought, but he is a bit apprehensive that his women might not accept it well.
He also knows that not only will it serve to increase security, but it will also decrease gossip and comparisons.
But in the end it is a decision that only he can make.

Angelina

Ines I think that Germans are very direct, I think that all is clear, but without be rude.

i don't want to be rude either, but it is better for me to understand in english when the answers are clear. 😉

Rafael but he is a bit apprehensive that his women might not accept it well.

that's exactly the point, he knows @Ines doesn't think she needs it, even if it means creating inequalities between the girls. i just wonder what will happen if @Ines father says he wants the girls to wear a bra now anyway, will @Ines accept that?
And @Ines how often do you see your cousins? maybe you can just test how it feels to wear a bra?

curious

I'll try to put it differently so @Ines doesn't think I'm rude, but in general you're right

Ines I do not catch your point.

you say the key holder (your father) should make the rules anddecisions. what if he wants you to wear the bra? will you refuse or will you accept it? simple question

curious

So if I get that right, Ines will have to wear a chastity bra in the future, even though she frequently said she really does not like steel bras?

Ines

curious

No, no, no.
It something that someone want to become in standard forma all the girls only because in his family, women use it.
It is only a proposal, and my father has the entire decision.
We have not ever needed such thing, and we will not need it.

Joh

Ines I hope it will be as it is in the future and not change. Especially you see no need in it.

curious

Ines
Hm. So, on the one hand you say it is for your father to make that decision and you always say you are strongly in favour of all girls to be under the same set of rules.
On the other hand you say you will not accept wearing a bra.
If your father decides he wants to add bras for all of you, which of the two options above is it then? Obviously you cannot have it both ways.

Maija

Rafael in the end, a chastity bra is beneficial for a woman to wear, so I think your brother-in-law is right here

Jonas

Joh Yes. Better these things are agreed at the outset. Even the possibility of a change is stressful.

Ines

curious So, on the one hand you say it is for your father to make that decision and you always say you are strongly in favour of all girls to be under the same set of rules.

In every home, curious.

curious If your father decides he wants to add bras for all of you, which of the two options above is it then? Obviously you cannot have it both ways.

Hopefully it will not happen.

Kaja

Ines You dont answer 😉

Ines

Kaja

What?
Same rules for the girls of the home, I have not ever seen this.
Every father should decide, and nobody should take the decisions of my father.

Jen

Ines lol this thread is getting funny. What if... What if...

Ines It does not have to happen, our standards are older and have worked well in the past. I do not think my father would decide that paradise for us or at least not for daily or regular use.

👍😁😁

curious

Ines
I sometimes get the impression you strongly advocate for a lifestyle in which you have no say about what actually will be the rules you have to follow as long as you like these rules.
I remember another discussion in another thread about your expectations for being belted after marriage but of course belting has then to be the way YOU would like it and not the way your husband would want it.
It is easy to say "I want my father to make the rules in our house and everyone - including me - then has to follow the rules", as long as your father is making the rules the way you would want them for yourself anyway.
The point where it is getting interesting though and actually shows if you really believe in not having the right to decide for yourself is, when the rules your father makes deviate from what you want.
For that reason alone I would be very much in favour of your dad setting the addition of the bra as new standard and then let us talk again about how you think about other people making rules you will have to follow.

Ines

curious I sometimes get the impression you strongly advocate for a lifestyle in which you have no say about what actually will be the rules you have to follow as long as you like these rules.

It is quite exact, I say it a lot of times.

curious the way YOU would like it and not the way your husband would want it.

Why it has to be different? I am quite obedient.
However it is pretty logical that the wearing of a chastity belt has to mprove the life of keyholder and the life of the girl too.
In the other way, it is totally acceptable that a keyholder refuses to hold the key of a wearer that only wants a regime not satisfactory for the keyholder.

curious The point where it is getting interesting though and actually shows if you really believe in not having the right to decide for yourself is, when the rules your father makes deviate from what you want.

I can say you that I do not have any doubt, I can delegate the decision while the keyholder is able to make me happy, if he is unable to fulfill my life, he does not deserve the privilege, then I will start to decide by myself, I do not want do it, I am not comfortable taking decisions, but stress of unhappiness is much bigger than stress of take decisions for some time.

curious For that reason alone I would be very much in favour of your dad setting the addition of the bra as new standard and then let us talk again about how you think about other people making rules you will have to follow.

I do not catch your point.

Jen lol this thread is getting funny. What if... What if...

Yes. We have to await, and the we should act in consequence.

youdontknowme

curious The point where it is getting interesting though and actually shows if you really believe in not having the right to decide for yourself is, when the rules your father makes deviate from what you want.

I see that not as never having negotiations, and more as only entering negotiations after the pater familias already has a pretty clear idea of what he expects of his... subjects. He knows fundamental concerns ahead of time, she reserves the final right to say no, but between those two limits, she does not want to be involved in the process.

With a husband it seems somewhat easier - they would both know what expectations the other brings to the table before they get married - but you cannot really choose your father the same way. But after growing up in his household, she should know whether she can trust him to make decisions she can live with.

Rafael

curious

She is young, but has is partly right, the head of the family has the responsibility to keep his family together and happy.
If he is not capable, he may be a dictator, but not a good leader for his family.

Maija

Agree, is the only way to protect them totally. Maybe not 24/7 if they don't reserve it, but some time everyday, sure.

Bryan

@Ines

I almost get the impression some folks here want their fearless admin to be forced into a metal bra :-)

Ines Yes. We have to await, and the we should act in consequence.

When is the decision being made?

Ines I do not need such thing.

Ines without bands, you can (and do) get some pleasant stimulation.
That in my family is no different from masturbation, and, therefore, not acceptable.

You've mentioned how the bra is "not need(ed)", but I struggle to reconcile with your thoughts on "pleasant stimulation". Do you truly not get any stimulation from your chest, or is it that you have enough self control that it isn't an issue?

Ines

Angelina differently so @Ines doesn't think I'm rude,

I do not think that you are rude, I was talking in general, even if we are European, we have certain differences.

Angelina you say the key holder (your father) should make the rules anddecisions.

Yes, not only my father, but every keyholder.

Angelina what if he wants you to wear the bra?

It is not probable

Angelina will you refuse or will you accept it?

First of all, would be necessary a looooong talk, but I would not like it.

Angelina And @Ines how often do you see your cousins? maybe you can just test how it feels to wear a bra?

It is tested. Do you think I could do not test it? 🤭 you can call it morbid curiosity if you want. I see them several days at week, sometimes every day, specially to Barbara.

Angelina

Ines First of all, would be necessary a looooong talk, but I would not like it.

it's not about that, it's about whether you would accept your father's decision, nothing else.

Ines I see them several days at week, sometimes every day, specially to Barbara.

ok, so you seem to have tested it already. i didn't know how close you live to each other, spain is a big country 😉

Rafael Agree, is the only way to protect them totally. Maybe not 24/7 if they don't reserve it, but some time everyday, sure.

now i would really be interested in @Ines father's opinion on this sentence, but then there would still be another family member here 😂

Ines

Angelina it's not about that, it's about whether you would accept your father's decision, nothing else.

Angelina, I am answering you, in first hand, no, but at the end motivation on one and another mystery be disscused. I can not give a definitive answer before such talk.

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