fear of orgasm: why?

Joh

Angelina but the decision is ultimately made in families

Oooh. Now you are walking on thin ice. Think about again which door you are open with this argument.

Angelina

i understand what @Joh is trying to say, i just disagree 😉 and i know almost all the laws and i know how long it takes for most crimes to become time-barred. the only question i always have to ask myself is whether the overall situation will improve for me.

Joh Now you are walking on thin ice. Think about again which door you are open with this argument.

i know it's a thin ice, but unfortunately many crimes today are described in a very undifferentiated way, which is why i make this statement with reservations, of course, but i think i'll stick to it in principle.

Joh your point of view will change a little.

Even if you convince me, it doesn't change the overall situation.

a_father

@Sara2001 has written overall and that is exactly the point and that is exactly the point why i agree with her on this one

Joh

Angelina well, i'll be 18 in 4 months, but i wouldn't say that my opinion will change then.

This is predictable. I am in the discussion with you in the hope that you will think about my arguments and maybe your point of view will change a little. Even if this is only in some time or years.

Vanessa

Angelina yes, these are similar reasons for my father too

These reasons seems common...

Ines And, in general, I think that a girl masturbation is not acceptable, and it is a behavior that must be avoided.
It is selfish, indecent and that does not make anything good for us as woman.

My parents would agree with you.

Ines Even "buy" the consent with privileges is not very fair in my opinion.

Not very fair,but better than reluctantly wearing.

HHelen I prefer to limit rather than prevent.

Why?

HHelen Otherwise all her activity can be reduced to it.

Only if it is excessive.

Ines For me, and you know it, only acceptable way, and only way in what you avoid reproaches, is totally free acceptance.

Right.

Ines I believe that every truculent story is a tale.

Me too.

Ines Force to someone to wear a belt should be such factory of resentment that no family can endure it. And in determined ages and environment is very difficult maintain such thing as a secret.

It depends on the family,I think.Except the chastity belt,I'm pretty close to my parents and to my twin,and we like spending time together.But I think it can't work if the family isn't friendly to each other.

Ines

Vanessa My parents would agree with you.

I am not, of course, against feminine pleasure, and of course when we are married we should experiment so many orgasms as we need to be be happy, even if, sometimes we would have a bit to obtain a belt release ( it would add more pressure to the boiler, so he will face a lioness later).
But, in my home, for example, and I am sure that my sister do it, it is something that is shameful for a single girl. It avoids we arrive pure for our loved man, (and he does not deserve it) , it drives to a selfish and brat behavior ( I want it so I have to get it, when we must await calmly to achieve some things), it will drive us to bad behavior ( and in this sense all my friends and girls here say the same, orgasms are very pleasurable and addictive).
This is of course my opinion, and you can not force to anyone to do it, however, in my opinion, for example my sister, (for use a example in my home), is failing as woman, firstly to herself.

Sara2001

Vanessa It depends on the family,I think.Except the chastity belt,I'm pretty close to my parents and to my twin,and we like spending time together.But I think it can't work if the family isn't friendly to each other.

For me it is the same. Overall we are a very happy family and yes, this normally includes my sister. She hates her equipment more than I do, but she would never set her free access to her private parts above our family. We are all very loving and close. We all take care of each other. For example, demanding us to wear this equipment doesn't mean that my father doesn't care for us or doesn't understand that we don't like it. He feels with us. I think it's not so black and white.

HHelen

Vanessa Only if it is excessive.

That's why I prefer to limit to not become excessive.

Vanessa

Ines it would add more pressure to the boiler, so he will face a lioness later

I agree!😉

Ines It avoids we arrive pure for our loved man, (and he does not deserve it) , it drives to a selfish and brat behavior ( I want it so I have to get it, when we must await calmly to achieve some things), it will drive us to bad behavior ( and in this sense all my friends and girls here say the same, orgasms are very pleasurable and addictive).

I don't agree about the fact it always have such impact(it can,but far from always be the case),but I understand your logic.

Ines my sister, (for use a example in my home), is failing as woman, firstly to herself.

Which doesn't mean she would not have a happy life and marriage.

Sara2001 She hates her equipment more than I do, but she would never set her free access to her private parts above our family.

Same for several of us here.

Sara2001 We are all very loving and close. We all take care of each other

Necessary for wearing it reluctantly,I think.

HHelen

It doesn't necessarily become excessive.I think it is pretty rare.

a_father

Sara2001 But your parents could love you the same way without your equipment. Or not? If the love depends on the belt, there is no love.

Sara2001

a_father But your parents could love you the same way without your equipment. Or not? If the love depends on the belt, there is no love.

Of course my father would still love my sister or me when we decide to get rid of the belt, but he would be extremely disappointed and stop any support. It's far away from an easy decision for him. It has nothing to do with love.

a_father

Angelina The question you should ask your father is what he thinks what relationship he will have with you in ten years and if he doesn't think his current behavior could put a strain on the relationship. Now you depend on him, but in ten years... If he realises, that you are like an elephant and won't forget he may think about what he does.

Joh

Angelina i know it's a thin ice, but unfortunately many crimes today are described in a very undifferentiated way, which is why i make this statement with reservations, of course, but i think i'll stick to it in principle.

With this statement you give pedophiles the legitimacy to act unconscionably in their family.

Our society has learned from the experience of decades and introduced these laws. I think with your almost 18 years you do not have the knowledge, the experience or the overview to simply deny it and know it better.

Joh

Angelina it doesn't change the overall situation.

You don't know it finally if you don't try.
You say you father loves you. If he really loves you he will be angry first but after time he will accept it that it is the wrong way. If he can't accept it he is not really loving you from my point of view.

Angelina

a_father Now you depend on him, but in ten years...

I am still dependent in a way, because he is then probably my boss at work. 😂

a_father If he realises, that you are like an elephant and won't forget he may think about what he does.

i won't forget, but that's the point, of course i won't forget that against my will i have to wear these chastity devices, but i also won't forget that he has been raising me alone for 17 years and takes very loving care of me outside the topic of sex and masturbation 🙂

Foxies And thank God(s) that my partner and I are atheists! 🤣

I was going to write the same 🤣

Joh With this statement you give pedophiles the legitimacy to act unconscionably in their family.

that's why i say i know it's a very thin ice, on the other hand you're on thin ice with me when you claim to compare my situation to paedophilia

Joh I think with your almost 18 years you do not have the knowledge, the experience or the overview to simply deny it and know it better.

i am not the only person in the world who thinks like this, there are also many who are older and think exactly like this.
besides, i don't let myself be reduced to my age and also not to my chastity equipment.

Joh If he really loves you he will be angry first but after time he will accept it that it is the wrong way.

he will forgive me because he loves me that's true, but he won't think it's the wrong way to go

a_father and her girlfriend

that's actually not true either, my girlfriend is not restricted, she can have an orgasm at any time, but she's not allowed to get it from me. we could have done without the belt, but then we would have had almost no privacy.

a_father , if @Angelina's mother would be still present. What would she say about this situation? Perhapse a question for @Angelina's father...

i don't want to have anything more to do with my mother. she left me when i was a baby, i don't even know if she's still alive and it didn't care me, she's a stranger to me. incidentally, that's abuse for me.

Saintprudence

Regarding the initial question, here are some relevant passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with my comments in the next response:

“The Church understands the purposes of sexuality to be the begetting children and the mutual pleasure for building the couple's unity. Therefore, any deliberate activation of the sexual function outside the proper state of marriage and the purposes noted is seriously inordinate; if done voluntarily and knowingly, it is sinful. Within marriage such self- or mutual-stimulation is moral only when in some way it prepares for or completes a natural act of sexual intercourse.

Within the Church's teaching on human sexuality, masturbation is considered to be objectively disordered or intrinsically evil (in se malum or intrinsece malum); that is, no circumstances or intentions can render the action of masturbation "morally good." The degree or seriousness of the moral culpability of a particular act of masturbation, however, can be judged only in light of the degree of the moral agent's knowledge, freedom, and intentions. Full moral guilt requires a fully deliberate choice of what the person sufficiently realizes to be seriously evil, which can then be evaluated as gravely, or mortally, sinful. If the act is performed with only partial realization or only partial choice of the will, the person is presumed to be guilty only of venial sin.”

Foxies

Saintprudence

Thank God for giving us the Catholic Church to tell us what is right and what it wrong. And thank God(s) that my partner and I are atheists! 🤣

Saintprudence

This is what Catholic parents, especially those who grew up before the 1970s, are taught. It is what my late parents believed, and what my mother-in-law still believes. My parents were informed in no uncertain terms that it was their solemn, godly responsibility to instruct a child in the extreme moral dangers of masturbation.

indeed, calling masturbation a gravely disordered mortal sin is about the strongest language the church has — in their eyes, self-touch is up there with rape and murder. The sinner is at severe risk of going to hell. In fact, if you’re a parent who knows their offspring masturbates, it is made clear that YOU are at equal risk of eternal damnation if you don’t take all steps and any means necessary to curb it. The parents are maybe even more at risk — the text makes clear that teenagers get a pass for accidentally discovering it and not knowing the sin, but parents should know better and are responsible for instructing the son or daughter.

The only reason my parents never used a belt on me was because they had no idea they existed — it was the 80s and they were very sheltered. But the scarring emotional abuse — of being told I would be tortured in hell for all eternity for self-touch — was probably worse.

I don’t buy into this line of thinking, but literally hundreds of millions of parents worldwide in the Baby Boom generation were taught these precise words. There’s no mystery as to why THEY find self-stimulation so horrifying.

Saintprudence

Foxies the funny thing about my life now is that my parents would disagree with almost everything about it, but wearing my chastity belt? THAT they would approve of!

Joh

Sara2001 and stop any support.

He can't stop it as long as you are apprenticeship or education.

And as wrote before, yes he will be disappointed first but if he sees in the long run you sister did fine and has a stable relation as she likes he may find out she is still his daughter which he loves.
For your relation I don't see any difference coming up. The only thing which would change is that Daniel is full in charge. I suppose Daniel will always listen to the recommendation of your father and his father but make the decision on his own.

Raziel

I would guess its addiction. Similar to how kids want more candy after trying it for the first time. Young adults would want more ways to seek pleasure and feel that "release" of ecstasy. I don't blame parents being worried, but I wouldn't know any other way to stop it other than to prevent the feeling of the first one in their lives.

Do anyone know if there are drugs to stop those "feelings"? (Not that I suggest it, but I am curious if others resorted to using this type of solution)

HHelen

Vanessa It doesn't necessarily become excessive.I think it is pretty rare.

Not necessary, but she shouldn't be allowed when she wants it.

Raziel Similar to how kids want more candy after trying it for the first time

And they can't eat candies all the time.

a_father

Joh In the case of @Angelina I fear it is abuse. And her father got two for one (@Angelina and her girlfriend). I'm sure nothing of this had happend, if @Angelina's mother would be still present. What would she say about this situation? Perhapse a question for @Angelina's father...

a_father

Joh I'm not sure about Daniel. There are man who love the chastity belt more than the girl.... Sorry @Sara2001, but you should talk about this
with Daniel. Maybe after marriage and perhapse a pregnancy you can't wear the belt anymore. Can Daniel accept this? Otherwise he is not Mr. Right.

Joh

a_father I'm not sure about Daniel. There are man who love the chastity belt more than the girl.... Sorry @Sara2001, but you should talk about this

As far as I know he definitely loves @Sara2001 as person as she is.
And they continue talking about everything. More than I have done in my past but I am improving 😀

Joh

a_father I'm sure nothing of this had happend, if @Angelina's mother would be still present.

I am not sure. i have my own not nice experience with my mother and see it similar as @Angelina.

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