Church and Chastiy

Andrew

Avery She's most certainly going to return to normal activities as soon as she can.

It is obvious. Therefore, at the beginning of the 20th century, the use of chastity belts as a means of "treating" masturbation addiction was abandoned.

Avery

Andrew It is obvious. Therefore, at the beginning of the 20th century, the use of chastity belts as a means of "treating" masturbation

Good night, Irene. (Non-native English speakers might not get that one). She's going to be with Camryn, she's not going to be masturbating.

Andrew

Avery I can't understand how people doing the forcing can rationalize it.

But does anyone here really justify the use of coercion? Saying that the father's observation of the daughter is acceptable or logical in some situations is not the same as accepting that it is imposed on the girl.

youdontknowme

Andrew I would say it could be justified as part of a fully consensual arrangement, but in the current way where its only purpose is to support an involuntary dynamic as a non-negotiable component of their rules, nothing that could justify similar situations applies. So asserting her father's supposed right to supervise her unlocks means supporting one-sided dictation of chastity rules, which means justifying coercion.

Avery

Andrew But does anyone here really justify the use of coercion?

Are you saying there is no forced use here?

Andrew

youdontknowme Andrew I would say it could be justified as part of a fully consensual arrangement, but in the current way where its only purpose is to support an involuntary dynamic as a non-negotiable component of their rules, nothing that could justify similar situations applies. So asserting her father's supposed right to supervise her unlocks means supporting one-sided dictation of chastity rules, which means justifying coercion.

Wisely spoken, but this is essentially a general consideration, applicable to the wearing of the chastity belt as a whole, as well as to any aspect of it, which should always be voluntary. However, if we have the obviously pathological situation that @Angelina is in, then the ailment of supervised baths is a minor thing compared to all the mistreatment she suffered from her father in forcing her to wear a belt. To put it brutally - the guy probably likes to look at his naked daughter, but it doesn't do her much harm compared to other activities. I don't understand why some people are so focused on this issue. In my opinion, the mere statement that this is an action with its own logic is not an endorsement of it. To be clear, I strongly condemn Angelina's father for what he is doing to his daughter. At the same time, I do not perceive any of the statements that have appeared in recent days in this thread as support for his conduct. However, I am against trying to limit Angelina's speech simply because her situation is inappropriate, which hypothetically could cause someone to misconstrue her as normal (that's up to you @Avery).

Avery Are you saying there is no forced use here?

Of course it is, but does anyone praise it?

Ines

Milou-dH

In my opinion it is a sin, specially when they can use another systems, (I am thinking in my aunt and uncle system, for example). About your "daughter", I think the same, even more that now you are in her life, so it should be your task.

Avery

Andrew However, I am against trying to limit Angelina's speech simply because her situation is inappropriate, which hypothetically could cause someone to misconstrue her as normal (that's up to you @Avery).

I would object to your use of the word hypothetically. She posts in 12-15 threads and, with certainty, I think, some new people, and some of the old ones, probably, will think she is some kind of expert. You are correct in calling her situation "obviously pathological" and saying that you "strongly condemn Angelina's father for what he is doing to his daughter". That will help people.

Angelina

Avery Name one.

father is in the bathroom shaving, daughter is in the shower. this has nothing to do with chastity, he sees her naked and if they both agree there is nothing wrong with that.

Avery If you put an alcoholic in jail he can't start saying he's sober, he's a prisoner.

if he doesn't drink, he's sober no matter where he is

Avery So you're saying you masturbating would be a greater sin than him watching you shower.

i'm just saying i would take the chance, i don't think masturbation is wrong

Andrew However, if we have the obviously pathological situation that @Angelina is in, then the ailment of supervised baths is a minor thing compared to all the mistreatment she suffered from her father in forcing her to wear a belt.

i think that expresses it best, that's why i don't understand this excitement here. compared to the belt, the supervised showers are rather a small problem.

Avery She posts in 12-15 threads and, with certainty, I think, some new people, and some of the old ones, probably, will think she is some kind of expert.

i have never called myself or considered myself an expert, what other users make of it is up to the users themselves.

curious It is the responsibility of the reader to make certain the context is correctly understood and form his/her own opinion.

right and the users here are intelligent enough to make their own decisions about who they believe.

curious

Avery I would object to your use of the word hypothetically. She posts in 12-15 threads and, with certainty, I think, some new people, and some of the old ones, probably, will think she is some kind of expert.

So what?
Arguing someone should not be allowed to write about his/her experiences or ideas because what one writes might be misunderstood by other people is a very slippery slope leading straight to censorship and abolishing freedom of speech.

It is the responsibility of the reader to make certain the context is correctly understood and form his/her own opinion.

Cb85

curious I agree

Avery

curious It is the responsibility of the reader to make certain the context is correctly understood and form his/her own opinion.

And what if the reader is a minor? Genius.

Avery

curious Arguing someone should not be allowed to write about his/her experiences or ideas because what one writes might be misunderstood by other people is a very slippery slope leading straight to censorship and abolishing freedom of speech.

This is supposed to be a forum where people can get reliable information on the subject. There are a lot of others. Perhaps you would be happier elsewhere.

Ines

Avery

A minor or bad informed reader.
I accept the right of every user, but is not bad that some users with a perspective about non forced chastity put the topic on the tracks.

curious

Avery
It is the responsibility of parents to help their kids understand and correctly interpret the information they consume.
You cannot limit the entire internet to providing only information suitable for minors. Actually, most news channels would have to be closed down then.

Ines

It should not be limited to minors, some parents may enter here and get the wrong impression.
Obviously @Angelina has all the right in the world to write here as long as it does not violate the rules, however, it is good that in the face of dererminate experiences other users put the appropriate contrast.
However, we have to try to respect the purpose of this thread.

Avery

Angelina this has nothing to do with chastity

That's certainly true.

Angelina he sees her naked and if they both agree there is nothing wrong with that.

Is that the case with you?

Angelina

Avery Is that the case with you?

no, my father has not seen me naked in the bathroom for a long time before the "belt time", however, it would not be bad for me. bad is the reason why he does it, not that he does it

Avery

Angelina my father has not seen me naked in the bathroom for a long time before the "belt time"

OK so now he doesn't see you shower. We're all relieved to know that. Is there anything else you need to clear up for us?

Angelina

Avery OK so now he doesn't see you shower.

because of the belt currently he sees me under the shower, otherwise it would not happen (at least there is no good reason for it)

Avery

Just saw this on the net. A Mormon girl described when she was in a church class at age 13 and the teacher said that they were going to learn the cupcake lesson. The teacher took out this really beautiful cupcake and put it on her desk and asked who wants this beautiful cupcake? Everyone raised their hand. Then the teacher took a bite out of the cupcake and said who wants it now? And no one raised their hand.

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