What would you need for a chastity-friendly culture?

Rina

Angelina conservative politicians to create certain chastity laws.

Which we already see in many Middle Eastern countries, which are draconian.

Rina

Angelina it could even go so far that it is seen as similar to parents forcing their children to wear a bicycle helmet

Main difference is that chastity belt causes inconvenience to everyday things, as well as may cause multiple issues if it isn’t taken care of properly.

Abuseive parents aren’t likely to take care of it well.

I believe that chastity belt should only be normalized if it is between two consenting adults (How I want to wear chastity belt and want my partner to be a keyholder) and no parent should force it to their children. I believe any inequality / dpendence between wearer / keyholder has high likeliness of abuse.

Raquel

Rina no parent should force it to their children

No parents, but no husband too. Anyone should use a belt if she is forced.

Angelina

Joh Sorry, you ignore our law situation.

Joh I think that if the law clearly regulated the conditions under which children are allowed to wear a CB, it would hardly be possible to force them to do so.

and that's exactly where i have my doubts, hence the example with the bike helmet. i think it could lead to a lot of people thinking it would be good if teenage kids wear a belt and then they wouldn't care anymore whether voluntarily or not, or have you ever experienced that a father/mother was reported because forced their child to wear a bicycle helmet?

Rina I believe that chastity belt should only be normalized if it is between two consenting adults

I would go one step further, it would be acceptable for me if the child (at least from the age of 14) agrees, everything that is forced would be extremely bad, I think society and the legislators should clearly define the limits

hanna_anders I know thats not a popular idea around here

if you talk about equality of opportunity i even agree with you, i disagree if you talk about equality of outcome 🙂

Joh The difference is around 18% in Germany.

Because women are more likely to work in low-paying jobs than men, different jobs result in different salaries. However, as already noted, it is illegal for women and men to earn different wages for the same job

Sara2001 and I think with chastity devices it's the same

in a chastity-friendly society, however, it would not be the same, then the chastity belt would no longer be considered a fetish object, but a normal object. I agree with the rest of your post, but I disagree on this point

Joh To protect the minors, it should be explicitly forbidden by law for minors to wear a CB.

i don't agree it should be forbidden to force minors but they shouldn't be forbidden to wear one of their own free will, i see no reason for that

hanna_anders

Ines The problem is feminists have assumed that anything that sounds feminine is bad.

That’s absolutely not what feminism is about. I’m surprised at you.

Ines

hanna_anders That’s absolutely not what feminism is about. I’m surprised at you.

It is sad, but true, at least here, They are very concerned about TV programs that are liked by girls, toys, makeup, heels...
I do not know in your country but we have minister that is all the day with those nonsenses.
They want Everything that sounds like a woman has to be dismantled, starting with women's sports.

hanna_anders

Ines I suspect thats a very small minority. Most feminists just want equality between men and women. I know thats not a popular idea around here, I certainly don't think I'm the same or as capable as a man in many ways, but if you're doing the same job you should get the same pay, that kind of thing.

Rina

Ines The problem is feminists have assumed that anything that sounds feminine is bad.

These are type of “feminist” who also denies the existence of transgender because of that. They claim MTF transgenders try to emphasize “traditionally feminie” things stronger or make gender stereotypes worse, and mainstream feminists at least despise such kind of actions.

anything sounds feminie shouldn’t be forced, but not also be criticized just because it is perceived to be “feminine”

youdontknowme

Lots of idiots under the umbrella of feminism. In Britain in particular, a quite vocal group is pushing the narrative that most trans women who have not had surgery are just men trying to sneak into women-only spaces like public toilets or something along those lines.

There are feminist causes I agree very strongly with, but there are also many that want to take it too far.

cantsolvethecaptcha

hanna_anders But equal pay for equal work has been a reality in as far as I can see every western country. There is no western legal system that would allow otherwise. That would be the golden nugget for every lawyer if a woman would be paid less due to her gender.

Ines

hanna_anders if you're doing the same job you should get the same pay, that kind of thing.

This is a reality in Europe for decades. Pay different to employees making same work is a crime.

hanna_anders

cantsolvethecaptcha But equal pay for equal work has been a reality in as far as I can see every western country

it should be, yes, but it isnt yet, thats why we have expensive law suits demanding backdated pay for women workers. It is illegal but the companies still do it.

Joh

Ines Sorry, this is Not correct. Most of the time women get less as men for the same work. The difference is around 18% in Germany.

Ines

Joh
Not for same work, it is a crime.
Salary gap is a mantra, however, this is not the point of thread or forum.

cantsolvethecaptcha

Joh You are wrong. The 18% is the gross overall income difference between the genders. This figure does not adjust for the „equal work“ variable. German Wikipedia explains that very well.

youdontknowme

All depends on how well the people at the bottom end of the salary gap can document that they are being discriminated against by gender. In a union job with identical job descriptions, that will be a lot easier than a non-union job that hires them in different positions but gives them similar tasks.

Plus the fact that there are many jobs more commonly done by women that pay less than jobs with similar effort and responsibilities that are mostly done by men.

Ines

Eh!
Please, stop talking about salary gap.

Sara2001

I honestly think that I don't want to live in a chastity friendly society.

I think it is better when wearing a chastity belt is not seen as something normal, especially when minors are involved. I think in many cases it's forced and as an outsider you never know if it's forced or not.

If it's forced, it's wrong to accept it, if it's not forced it can be seen as a sexual fetish, even if many wearers would call if a sexual fetish but at the end I think living like this is exactly that. I think in many cases (including this) it's not right to openly show sexual preferences. But I can't say where I would draw the line exactly because on the other side I see myself as a very liberal person.

I wouldn't have a problem to see foreigner living a fetish that is not mine, like for example wearing a dog mask, crawling on all fours on a leash. If both are happy with this, it shouldn't be my business, but I wouldn't want children and teenagers to see it in public and I think with chastity devices it's the same. There are things that are impossible to hide, like basketball sized breast implants, they couldn't be hidden, but showing them to minors is still not optimal from my point of view, but it's impossible not to do it while it is possible for a chastity belt.

Children should be educated in a way that they become open minded people accepting everything that people consensually do with eachother, but at the same time I think that they should get the chance to develop their sexualities without to much influence of fetishes of all kind. They can explore them soon enough but step 1 should be exploring the boring, normal vanilla sex.

Joh

Sara2001 I agree with you point of view.
To protect the minors, it should be explicitly forbidden by law for minors to wear a CB.

As you know from your own experience, although I think it is already illegal in Germany, your parents could force you to do it and you allowed it. Just like most of you here.

Rafael

Sara2001

I have to agree in most of points, and again again I think it is absolutely necessary that girls become aware of their body as part of the development before wearing a belt.

But I think on the last part, we have a bit of a disagreement. I understand that this more chastity-friendly society is not driven by a fetishistic interest, (if so, you are absolutely right), so I do not think that your last reasoning could be applied.

I agree with you that, in this case, the law should establish a minimum age. I leave the mandatory age because there is already a thread about it.

Joh

Angelina i don't agree it should be forbidden to force minors but they shouldn't be forbidden to wear one of their own free will, i see no reason for that

If it would be like that we would have a vague situation. Did she agree to it or is she forced?
If it forbidden at all for minors their would be no doubt. This would clear protect minors.

youdontknowme

Angelina I would go one step further, it would be acceptable for me if the child (at least from the age of 14) agrees, everything that is forced would be extremely bad, I think society and the legislators should clearly define the limits

The problem is that to prevent abuse, you need to ensure that consent is freely given, informed and all that sort of stuff. Considering the power balance between a minor and their guardian, something that resembles consent to an outside observer can be manufactured through various carrot-and-stick methods and misinformation, so while it is certainly possible that minors want to grow up chaste and while it may be good to give them the opportunity, allowing parents (or other authority figures like teachers) to hold their keys would also make it a lot easier for abusers to get away with their crimes, so I still consider it a bad idea.

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