the lock!

Angelina

Vanessa .As the convinced ones,if they accept to lose the advantages.

right for some who get something for wearing the belt the advantages outweigh the disadvantages

HHelen And it will be changing soon.

what exactly do you mean by that ?

Vanessa

Ines

Thank you for your explanation,I understand better your meaning.

HHelen

Why?If I've understood well,she would still live at home during her studies.

Angelina right for some who get something for wearing the belt the advantages outweigh the disadvantages

Yes,no bad consequences but losing all the advantages she got by accepting to wear it,and so,using the same rules than before she started to wear it,which can be hard to accept...

Tobbe

This is interesting:
It is illegal to lock picks in Japan, they were made illegal in 2003 by the "Act on Prohibition of Possession of Special Picking Tools, and Other Related Matters"(特殊開錠用具の所持の禁止等に関する法律) which forbids owning any tool used to bypass locks unless there is a legitimate business need.
Violation of this can lead to 1 year in prison or a 500,000 yen (~$5000 USD) fine. Legitimate business need is a bit vague, but it is typically interpreted as you can only have them if you are a locksmith. Since a hobby is not a legitimate business need, the lock picking hobby is effectively banned. The law does not specify just lock picks, but rather any tool that can be used to bypass locks!

Angelina

Tobbe

interesting, kind of interesting the idea of me living in japan, opening my belt and going to jail for it 🤣

Raziel

Tobbe Dam, at least they don't ban drill bits, hammers, and hacksaws. General tools can work to get around a lock with brute force, but that is too strict. I would like to visit Japan, but not have to deal with their strict rules. I would go insane if I can't fine tune my lockpicking skills.

Angelina

Vanessa Yes,no bad consequences but losing all the advantages she got by accepting to wear it,and so,using the same rules than before she started to wear it,which can be hard to accept...

i think i agree with you (although frankly i don't understand your answer 100% that's why i think)

HHelen

Vanessa ?If I've understood well,she would still live at home during her studies.

But will spend most of her time outside.

Vanessa

Angelina

I meant the consequences for convinced wearer would only be to lose the advantages they get,and that the fact they lose these,and resume with the rules they had before,would be enough to make them keep wearing it.

HHelen

Maybe a bit more than now,but she would still have a lot of lessons and have to review it,so not that much,if she's serious.Especially at first,as she would have to adapt to the rhythm of learning at university.

Angelina

HHelen But will spend most of her time outside.

i don't know what it's like in the usa, i will probably be at the university mainly for the lectures, i can learn best at home. but i don't know how your daughter learns best

Angelina

Vanessa I meant the consequences for convinced wearer would only be to lose the advantages they get,and that the fact they lose these,and resume with the rules they had before,would be enough to make them keep wearing it.

that's true, there is a certain difference to us involuntary wearers. sounds a bit like oprant conditioning. using negative/positive reinforcement/punishment, i read something about that in a book recently.

Laura

Raziel Dam, at least they don't ban drill bits, hammers, and hacksaws

And screwdriver sets 😂

Vanessa

Angelina

I didn't know it,but after looking about it,there is similarities,yes.

Angelina

Vanessa I didn't know it,

my father taught me, it is a basis of communication techniques 😉

Vanessa

Angelina

Useful to know it,at least.

Angelina

Vanessa Useful to know it,at least.

definitely 😉

Taz

Tollyboy locks are mostly 7 pin radial locks there are some 8 pin radial locks, there is one 13 pin radial lock where the pins are set in a double row with cuts on the inside and out side of the key.

On many of them a radial pick will certainly not work easily as the bottom pins are of variable length and the springs are of differing strengths so just bottoming out the tool will mostly not work.

Most locks have a spool pin(s) and/or serrated pin(s) to give a false set.

Some special locks also have trap pins in them. Try to pick one of them and don't get it exactly right and you will have a lock that can't be turned by anything including the original keys.

There are some odd ball belts out there with very bulky Medico locks, I wouldn't think they would be pickable even by most locksmiths.

There is / was some experimental work with Galaxy locks from the Australian lock company. I think they are practically unpickable by anyone.

Ines

Taz
Hello, please, introduce yourself in the introduction topic.

Laura

Taz So, it it possible to pick my 7-pins lock?

Vanessa

I guess @BikelockFugitive is going to answer here soon!😉

Taz

It would be appreciated if you talk a bit about yourself in the introduction topic.

Taz A trap pin variant looks exactly the same as any other 7 pin radial.

Does Tollyboy use these?

Tobbe How many wearing a chastity belt, have the key + 3D scanner and 3D printer? 🤣

Right!😉

Taz Tollyboy did offer permanent locks. These look normal, have a key but will only turn clockwise. They are literally use once and the key is thereafter useless.

For what purpose?It seems totally useless for chastity belt,if we can't open it after it's locked...

Ines

Yes,for such purpose,it can be useful.

Laura Thanks. Better not try

Would you have tried,otherwise?

Tobbe

Taz There is / was some experimental work with Galaxy locks from the Australian lock company. I think they are practically unpickable by anyone.

Was it this type of lock?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJedCTXsaHg&ab_channel=Bosnianbill

Taz

In theory yes it is but some Tollyboy locks have some very nasty surprises in them.

The bottom pins are not always all the same length and with different strength bottom springs it makes finding the shear line of the lock harder.

Most perhaps all locks contain spool pin(s) when picking these give a false set. They feel like they are in the right shear plane but instead you have caught the edge of the spool instead of depressing it to the shear plane.

Serrated pins have grooves turned on the outside which also feel as if they are set at the shear line when they are not not.

Some locks contain trap pins These are really nasty the bottom pin in the lock is made in two pieces the bottom part of it hollow. It is possible to pick this lock in two positions the correct one where the bottom pin acts like a normal solid pin and the wrong one where the lock turns with the exposed top of the hollow pin in contact with the turning portion of the lock. If this happens then the lock will turn a certain distance until the top of the hollow pin meets a circular groove when the spring will push it into place locking the lock permanently against further turning. At this point the lock is dead. Nothing will turn it either way not even the original keys.

If you decide to pick it you are gambling that either you are very good at picking or that there are no trap pins in that lock. A trap pin variant looks exactly the same as any other 7 pin radial.

Maximus

Taz At this point the lock is dead. Nothing will turn it either way not even the original keys.

well, that sounds more a scary movie, I don't doubt they exist for specific purposes, but a CB manufacturer using something like that to get stuck people in their belts and finish being news in the newspaper because somebody without DIY abilities nor radial cutter called firefighters to cut a CB? 😅

Laura

Taz If you decide to pick it you are gambling that either you are very good at picking or that there are no trap pins in that lock

Thanks. Better not try

Maximus Then always exist an even key that programs the lock for the next key? which only works if is the proper key for the previous programming? or if you own the "programming keys", can be used at any time independently of current programmed key?

https://unwedchastity.org/d/216-spousal-belt-with-hitech-lock

hornyaspie2

Dilly I would recommend 3D scanners and 3D printing, if it has key it's possible to copy it 😀

Tobbe

hornyaspie2 How many wearing a chastity belt, have the key + 3D scanner and 3D printer? 🤣
If you have access to the key, why not open the belt, instead of using 3D?

Taz

hornyaspie2 I would recommend 3D scanners and 3D printing, if it has key it's possible to copy it

True but maybe not as helpful as you would hope.

Tollyboy did offer permanent locks. These look normal, have a key but will only turn clockwise. They are literally use once and the key is thereafter useless.

Many lock makers also sell change key locks, these have two keys one that unlocks it and one that won't unlock it but will change the internal pinning so the first key will no longer work. Normally you buy these with a set of 7 keys plus the change key so when the key gets lost of compromised you can change the lock and use a new key. These would be very effective on a belt as you could lock the belt then change the lock so even if the wearer got access to the key it wouldn't work.

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