Tim You two exist in the middle.
well i will try to put it very simply. i do not have to be submissive to wear a belt, but that does not mean that i wear the belt voluntarily. i do it for two reasons. out of fear of the consequences if i would not do it and out of respect for my father. In contrast to Sara (who was brought up to be submissive), I was brought up to be "controlling". I adopt many of my father's character traits, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with him on everything
Tim to impose different rules on someone for something outside their control like their gender.
but it is not out of his control, that is the difference. whether it is immoral is something we can argue about (we have been doing that here in the forum since its existence)
Tim It's your life and, as wrong as it would be if I was living it, it isn't my place to judge you and trying to judge you would just make it harder for me to learn.
well you don't have to judge me but you can try to understand my views. i understand why you think so, it's easy to understand because 99% of people would agree with you. then there are people like sara or ines who by their nature see it differently and there are people like vanessa or me who see it differentiated
Tim I am unlikely to ever fully understand and focus instead on things we can make more progress on.
so am i and i don't think you need to understand it completely. we explain our thought processes and you can draw your own conclusions 🙂