Why it is wrong for a parent to use chastity on offspring.

Rina

Milord Well organized post. I find such chastity equipment use should be kind of limited to in between consenting, non dependent adults.

Milord

Rina thank you very much. The whole idea is to explain why I think that it is totally wrong to put a chastity belt on offspring. At least you all know why im so vocal about it. Being a father by myself I see a lot of reasons to advocate against

Milord

Sin thank you. a lot of points I raised are about dysfunctional relationships

Milord

Tjc Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt?

Sorry I missed this point. Putting older offspring is not anymore child abuse, but it is still very often an abuse. I inserted this in point 3

Angelina

Milord May I say that I expected much more confrontation on this topics?

After all the excitement in the last few days, it's good to have a more objective discussion, right?

Milord But this is not only against minors. Its against belting from parents, specifically, against belting young adults: while legally everything change, a 18yo living at home and economically depending from parents is not so different from a minor,

We are against any form of forced use by parents, including young adults. It is then no longer child abuse, but it is always coercive and morally questionable

Milord How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be.

For me the question is always clear, regardless of the child's age. Forced is wrong, voluntary is ok and if the child is bribed with services, then there is a difference between minors and adult children, because minor children should perhaps not accept these offers because they do not really recognize the value of the offer. An adult child should be able to decide for themselves whether sexual freedom or having their own car etc. is more important

Milord

Angelina thank you a lot for answering
If you feel that some / all my points are wrong, can you please share it?
Because honestly... no.
Forfeiting a basic human right (sexual freedom is) to have a car is not a good idea. In my opinion a parents should never bribe his own offspring into a chastity belt.
You probably can see by yourself that outside this forum, 99,99% of the population will not see parents that propose in a positive way. But I never sticked with the majority, so no problem in accepting this is a good thing
Can you point out where I'm wrong?
Thank you

For me there are 2 possible outcome
1) the points are all, or the majority of them, wrong. I will acknowledge this and change my look at the entire belting situation.
2) no points, or just few of them, can be proven wrong, and in this case at least people will know that this is wrong. Probably nothing will change either, but at least everyone cannot pretend it is fine anymore

Angelina

Milord Can you point out where I'm wrong?

Quite simply, exactly what you wrote two lines below

Milord For me there are 2 possible outcome

That limits the discourse quite severely. I would say that in many cases you are right with your points, but I always focus on the individual situation in each case and am not a fan of saying general things that are valid for everyone. The forum taught me that there are so many different reasons for or against a belt

Milord Forfeiting a basic human right (sexual freedom is) to have a car is not a good idea. In my opinion a parents should never bribe his own offspring into a chastity belt.

Parents shouldn't do that, but adult children should decide for themselves

Milord

Angelina That limits the discourse quite severely. I would say that in many cases you are right with your points, but I always focus on the individual situation in each case and am not a fan of saying general things that are valid for everyone. The forum taught me that there are so many different reasons for or against a belt

This is a general post. Addressing situation, not people. I tried to include situations I learned in the forum to made for exclusions, so to avoid putting unique situations included here, like @sasha being a voluntary wearer born from a personal journey, or @Sin that wear it for sexual excitement (hopw i understandcorrectly). If I miss some other situation, each one knows where it fits, I will not make a list there. But it puzzle me that noone came to challenge them. Twelve points, not two or three. They are a lot of them.

Anymore if you want to add something you are welcome.
Your contribution is important to me.

Angelina

Milord But it puzzle me that noone came to challenge them. Twelve points, not two or three. They are a lot of them.

because your points allude to discussions that we have had here very often, even as a fairly new user you will surely have noticed who has roughly which point of view.

Sin

Milord @Sin that wear it for sexual excitement (hope I understand correctly)

I don't know how to answer that. It's complicated!

George

Milord Actually, gastric bypass is a severe physical limitation:

e.g. you literally are limited in the amount you can eat.
the amount that you can eat leads to some other funny limitations, e.g. the patient generally speaking is required to drink and eat time separated, as the stomach is to small to accomodate both at the same.
the patient is required to take supplementals for the rest of their life (e.g. which in Austria the social insurance is not paying for), as the body is modified in a way that it cannot acquire all necessary nutrients in the necessary amounts from the food.
to summarize, you are literally forced physically to a special diet for the rest of your life, that's why e.g. in Austria, the surgery is only done as the ultima ratio, when at least 2-3 serious other documented therapies have failed. As in medically conducted therapies, not your private diet. And only if a treating external doctor recommends the patient for the procedure, if not they hospital will not even give an appointment.
actually, the hospital literally require a psychatrical evalution if there is even a hint that the patient might be not stable enough, and they require the patient to keep to the new, slightly monotonous diet, for a month to see if they are stubborn enough to keep up with the program.

Anyway, IMHO, if there is a procedure that fits the description of medicine being "doing bodily harm with a legal licence to do so", none comes to my mind.

But then it is literally used (at least here in Austria) for cases where medicine is helpless, patients with eating disorders, who literally eat themselves to death, literally eat so long till they overstretched their stomach and are acutely sick.

In that situation, one can argue, is limiting their stomach to smaller portions, so that they get sick faster, and perhaps learn something from being more often sick helping? Is damaging their ingestion system so that it is less efficient, actually helping them?

But please do not try to make light of (especially) this procedure, it's brutal, just listening in on the pre-pretreatment consultation (as the allowed companion) made be blanch.

Milord

George hi George, I apologise for giving bad information on this, and thank you for pointing out.

Milord

Angelina and has never been challenged. Not a single time. Evaded, ignored, lost in useless details, but never someone came and says: "You are wrong because" and then started a discussion.
Not even the more personal point has ever been challenged.
I’ve received a certain amount of like, someone that tried to make a discussion, but without opposing, and nothing else

Angelina

Milord and has never been challenged.

because they are true in 95% of all cases

Milord

Angelina ok, they are true, so belting from parent is wrong, or there is something that I haven’t see? It’s a honest question. Your opinion of course.

Angelina

Milord ok, they are true, so belting from parent is wrong, or there is something that I haven’t see? It’s a honest question. Your opinion of course.

it is neither generally wrong nor right, but always right or wrong depending on the situation

youdontknowme "Tough love", "one day you'll thank us for it". These people believe that they can shape what makes a person happy, and that any behavior of the son/daughter that is against the parents' values is a phase they will grow out of with enough discipline. And when they see how much better their life is due to conforming to their parents' values, they will realize how much their parents love them.

as if you were describing my father

youdontknowme

I think nobody here denies that all the points you make are valid concerns to have, and that they must be taken into account any time a parent enters a chastity agreement with a daughter (or son). There are undeniable drawbacks to this relationship, the question is if they outweigh the perceived benefits. Personally I would say they do, but I also believe that any parent who would get the idea to introduce enforced chastity into a family relationship is going to have a very different idea from me about what the benefits might be.

Milord

youdontknowme Personally I would say they do

Please, can you extend this point? Your idea is that drawbacks far outweigh any supposed benefits, right?
(I ask stupid questions when I’m not sure I understand correctly)

youdontknowme

Milord Yes, Benefits might be peace of mind that the daughter is not getting into that sort of trouble while you are not actively looking, ideological objections against sexual hedonism or reinforcement of authoritarian hierarchies.

Not that I would view the latter two as particularly convincing benefits, but plenty of other people do.

Milord

youdontknowme thank you very much for your answer. I will provide a more detailed answer when I can

Milord

youdontknowme
So, let’s try to build a logical inference
All the point above has been proven true, because no one has been able to challenge them until now (can change in the future)
So the bad effects of parenting belt can be: emotional dependency, poor willpower, emotional immaturity, lack of life experiences, inability to have a normal social life, inability to develop a positive view of sex, coping, potential nevrotic issues, frustration, suffering, cognitive dissonance, altered life choices, possible future legal issues, trusting issues, etc

What can offset all this bad effects? Am I missing something?

Sasha

Milord Could also add marrying young for freedom not for love, leading to a poor choice of partner.
Might not happen that way of course but seems likely.
Those are all valid points where a parent has pushed a child into chastity.

pestulens

Milord
I have to say, many of your list of bad effects are ones that someone who views @youdontknowme 's last two points (the last especially) would probably not consider as big a deal, or might even see as a positive. Obviously, they wouldn't describe things the same way.
Take for example "inability to develop a positive view of sex." The hypothetical person we are considering would likely call what we view as a positive view of sex 'degenerate' and see preventing it as a positive.

youdontknowme

Milord, this is how I imagine someone less liberal than us might see those drawbacks:

emotional dependency

A tool to ensure obedience

poor willpower

Compliance

emotional immaturity

Preserved innocence

lack of life experiences

Experiences that are best avoided

inability to have a normal social life

Define normal. Many people want to establish sexlessness and modesty as a norm and seek out social circles where it is.

inability to develop a positive view of sex

A small price to pay for establishing a negative view of sexual immorality. A married-off daughter only needs to have sex enough times to make grandbabies, and it is fine if she experiences that act as a sacrifice.

coping

Not inherently bad if it does not lead to immoral acts

potential nevrotic issues

Can happen with a sex life as well

frustration

Builds character

suffering

A penance for immoral thoughts

cognitive dissonance

Hopefully for a good cause

altered life choices

Hopefully for the better

possible future legal issues

Proper discipline will take care of that for most people

trusting issues

That is why you need to persuade her that doing that is the right thing.

Some things are downplayed easily. Others might even look slightly positive.

Joh

Milord I would Like to Change your Statement to:
can have ....

Milord

Sasha hi, thank you. I put this under “altered life choise” but thank you for pointing up

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