Why it is wrong for a parent to use chastity on offspring.

Ines

Avery Is it worth mentioning that 1/4 of the world (the Muslims) forbids sex before marriage and manages it without people using belts?

Yes. Their solution is far worse.

Tonyand03

Milord Speaking as someone who has had bypass surgery: Gastric bypass IS a physical limitation. It is simply not possible to eat the volume of food previously consumed due to the reduced stomach size. Other effects are that the food must be eaten more slowly (throat restriction) and less of the calories are absorbed (intestinal bypass). It's not a magic cure-all, but I certainly found it of some help in controlling my obesity (for a real magic cure, try throat cancer!).
I don't think the comparison is valid as you're juxtaposing a physical problem against a (perceived) moral one.

Milord

Tonyand03 thank you very much. Well, I learned something you.
I still think you don't compare this kind of physical limitation with one imposed by belt.

Tonyand03

Milord

Milord I still think you don't compare this kind of physical limitation with one imposed by belt.

I agree. Hence my last line.

Milord

Tonyand03
I'm sorry if I sometime repeat the obvious.
I'm not a native English speaker, and sometimes I'm not sure I understand correctly

Milord

May I say that I expected much more confrontation on this topics?
At least to get some challenges.

Joh

Milord And what conclusion do you come to?
I say that our views on this subject differ only in the details.

Angelina

Milord May I say that I expected much more confrontation on this topics?

After all the excitement in the last few days, it's good to have a more objective discussion, right?

Milord But this is not only against minors. Its against belting from parents, specifically, against belting young adults: while legally everything change, a 18yo living at home and economically depending from parents is not so different from a minor,

We are against any form of forced use by parents, including young adults. It is then no longer child abuse, but it is always coercive and morally questionable

Milord How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be.

For me the question is always clear, regardless of the child's age. Forced is wrong, voluntary is ok and if the child is bribed with services, then there is a difference between minors and adult children, because minor children should perhaps not accept these offers because they do not really recognize the value of the offer. An adult child should be able to decide for themselves whether sexual freedom or having their own car etc. is more important

Milord

Joh i want to think that people are not happy to talk with me.
Much worse will be if there are not counter argumentation
Whats your idea?

Joh

Milord
This forum is against putting minors in a CB. The points you have listed are all correct in my opinion and I suspect the others see it the same way. Therefore, there will be no opposition.

Milord

Joh

But this is not only against minors. Its against belting from parents, specifically, against belting young adults: while legally everything change, a 18yo living at home and economically depending from parents is not so different from a minor, and my concerns are tied to this situation. I edited the main page to make it clearer

Sasha

Milord I haven’t weighed in on this much but thought I’d give my thoughts.
For my own situation, I can be economically independent but live at home and contribute financially to my siblings well being, but through an agreement I don’t have much more privilege than they do and mom has my keys.
And I’m generally opposed to a minor being pushed towards or into a device, and have told my brother as much, even though he believed that would be the answer when he asked me for advice. I still steered him away from it.

You won’t find anyone here to my knowledge that has a different opinion on the subject. My only caveat to that is as others have mentioned, is if he insisted on being in one, as the adults we need to assure it’s not forced, their mental health is looked after and that they understand what they’re doing and that they’re safe doing it.

Tjc

@Milord Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt? I think that is not longer a legal issue of possible child abuse. Does it make a difference to you if the older child does not live at home? Does it make a difference if they are not economically dependent? How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a belt before you are opposed to the idea?

Milord

Thank you for answering and sorry for the bad format. Difficult to format it on cell phone

@Tjc Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt?

A lot of people in this forum think that for parent to put their offspring in chastity is a good idea. I strongly disagree, and my opinion is that belting from parents is deadly wrong. I expected my idea to be strongly opposed.

Tjc think that is not longer a legal issue of possible child abuse

Correct. I say that it's wrong, not that it is illegal

Tjc Does it make a difference to you if the older child does not live at home? Does it make a difference if they are not economically dependent? How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be

Make difference if he live at home? . The more a person is independent, the more he can't be pressured. Someone living away and economically independent will be very hard to convince, so if he/she accepts, its probably from his/her own will

Does it make a difference if they are not economically dependent. Yes. A lot. Purse string can be a very powerful mean to convince someone, so definitely it makes difference

How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be. None. There should be no pressure at all. Unless some very specific situations where the son or daughter asks for it, a parent should never ask sons or daughter to wear a chastity belt.
I added 12 points on which my opinion is based. There are many more, but I try to stick with this because they are pretty straightforward.

Sin

Tjc Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt? I think that is not longer a legal issue of possible child abuse.

Perhaps not, but it's just really, really weird. Dysfunctional perhaps. Creepy at the very least.

Milord

Tjc Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt?

Sorry I missed this point. Putting older offspring is not anymore child abuse, but it is still very often an abuse. I inserted this in point 3

Milord

Sasha
Hi Sasha thanks for answering. I thought a lot about your situation, and this is what convinced me to exclude explicitly, as you can read here

Milord People willingly wearing it

I explained in other posts what is my opinion on your specific situation, so for me the post is not applicable to you, as it is not appicable to several others situation.
Moreover you wear it under a specialist supervision, and this for me make a huge difference. I suppose that if the therapist told you that you should stop wearing it you will stop, right?

youdontknowme

Sasha She asked if I felt that switching from everything inappropriate being blocked outright to my internet activity just being monitored would be a good move for me. Blocking only the most extreme sites.
I agreed with her and think this may be a good move and we should try it. For reference my siblings got this privilege about 8 months ago.

Kinda wondering how old they are. Blanket blocks feel like a rather heavy-handed move for someone old enough to have a conversation like this one:

Sasha And I’m generally opposed to a minor being pushed towards or into a device, and have told my brother as much, even though he believed that would be the answer when he asked me for advice. I still steered him away from it.

But after your parents have had some bad experiences with a very hands-off approach, I can certainly understand (though not support) the pendulum swinging a bit the other way.

Tjc

Milord How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be. None. There should be no pressure at all. Unless some very specific situations where the son or daughter asks for it, a parent should never ask sons or daughter to wear a chastity belt.

All families and family dynamics are different but I am not sure there is anything magic about being 18. When I was 30 and living in my own home and economically independent, I still listened to my parents when they suggested that I do or not do something. The never suggested a chastity belt ( I don't think we knew about them) but they did say I shouldn't date this girl or that girl and their opinion mattered. They had no problem being emphatic (but nice) about what they want me to do. I was certainly independent but there was certainly pressure. (turns out they were usually right. Starry eyed love makes guys do crazy things) There was pressure about a lot of things. Just turning 18 didn't make it magically go away.
For many of us, that parental pressure now comes from within because of the way we were raised. I think many, if not most of the people on here who are over 18 wearers do so because they think it is the right thing to do based on values they learned from their families when they were younger. Some wear because their mother sets the example. Some wear in support of younger siblings. Pressure is not always bad and is not always economic or based on threat for being thrown out of the house if you don't yield to it.

Tjc

Milord I expected my idea to be strongly opposed.

I don't think my opposition is strong. I do think that every situation is different and it would be hard to have one solution for everyone and every situation. Some offspring would be better off by someone putting them in chastity. If that happens from a logical discussion or from gentle pressure, I don't think that is bad. It is not out of line for a parent to say "you have to keep your grades up or the family can't waste money of college". If grades are poor because they spend all of the study time riding around in the car, I think it right to stop unnecessary use of the car until grades get better. If there is distraction from easy sex, maybe a chastity belt is the best solution (for over 18, under 18 there are other ways to prevent it)

Milord

Tjc For many of us, that parental pressure now comes from within because of the way we were raised

If anyone feel so much that they should be in chastity belt that internalised it, they should be considered voluntary wearer, and so this is not for them. Both @Sasha and @Ines even in very different situations fall in this category

As for the whole "gentle pressure" scenario, thank you for proposing your point of view
I will think about it, but honestly it's very hard to imagine that someone will accept be put in chastity with just a gentle pressure
I would have freaked out, as every other person I know, both male and female

Milord

Tjc hi, thank you for your answer. Since I put a list of reasons, can you highlight from which point you disagree?
This will be very helpful for me

On a personal basis I don't think that "I don't like the girl you are dating" can be compared to "you should wear a chastity belt" in any scenario I can think of.

Joh

Milord I will think about it, but honestly it's very hard to imagine that someone will accept be put in chastity with just a gentle pressure

I am not sure who brought up the CB by @Sasha case. She can tell us. But as far as I remember it needed not much pressure.
So it is depended on every situation and history how it will evaluate and in some cases a gentle pressure may be sufficient.

Sasha

Joh Mom brought it up, you are correct that it didn't take much pressure.
I should also add that at the time I was entirely dependent on her, and this wasn't used at all to get me in it.

Joh

Sasha Thank you for clarification.
So you can see, @Milord , that there are very different situations. From gentle pressure to coercion using dependency or blackmail. That's why you always have to find out what the circumstances are before you can make a judgement.

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