Milord

You are suggesting that physically preventing someone from excessive eating is a bad thing. And I am asking if doing so surgically is also a bad thing.

I ask because it is a common enough practice, such that I personally know multiple people in my church who have undergone gastric bypass, including a relative.

    WriterAlexis gastric bypass is not a physical limitation. Reducing the size of stomach gives a sense of fullness. And limit the absorption of food. Doesnt prevent people from eating
    Are you comparing a surgical intervention, used to cure a pathological situation that heavily impact health and can lead to death to a chastity belt or a muzzle?
    And why I should be against surgery?
    It's like asking if I'm against a cast if I break an arm

      Milord And why I should be against surgery?

      Ultimately, I think the key is that before any surgery, there is extensive medical consultation that establishes:

      • That there is a real problem that negatively impacts the life of the patient
      • That the surgery is an effective solution to the problem
      • That less invasive alternatives have been explored and found to be insufficient to solve that problem
      • That the patient understands the risk and the side effects of that surgery
      • That the patient has properly weighed the benefits against the risks and has made a decision accordingly.

      How many of these points are met in the cases described here?

        youdontknowme That the patient understands the risk and the side effects of that surgery
        That the patient has properly weighed the benefits against the risks and has made a decision accordingly.

        Milord I think this is covered by the two above points. Not the patient's parents, the patient themself, unless the patient's life depends on getting the surgery done before the patient regains consciousness.

        Avery Is it worth mentioning that 1/4 of the world (the Muslims) forbids sex before marriage and manages it without people using belts?

        Yes. Their solution is far worse.

        Milord Speaking as someone who has had bypass surgery: Gastric bypass IS a physical limitation. It is simply not possible to eat the volume of food previously consumed due to the reduced stomach size. Other effects are that the food must be eaten more slowly (throat restriction) and less of the calories are absorbed (intestinal bypass). It's not a magic cure-all, but I certainly found it of some help in controlling my obesity (for a real magic cure, try throat cancer!).
        I don't think the comparison is valid as you're juxtaposing a physical problem against a (perceived) moral one.

          Tonyand03 thank you very much. Well, I learned something you.
          I still think you don't compare this kind of physical limitation with one imposed by belt.

            Milord

            Milord I still think you don't compare this kind of physical limitation with one imposed by belt.

            I agree. Hence my last line.

              Tonyand03
              I'm sorry if I sometime repeat the obvious.
              I'm not a native English speaker, and sometimes I'm not sure I understand correctly

              May I say that I expected much more confrontation on this topics?
              At least to get some challenges.

                Milord And what conclusion do you come to?
                I say that our views on this subject differ only in the details.

                  Joh i want to think that people are not happy to talk with me.
                  Much worse will be if there are not counter argumentation
                  Whats your idea?

                  • Joh replied to this.

                    Milord
                    This forum is against putting minors in a CB. The points you have listed are all correct in my opinion and I suspect the others see it the same way. Therefore, there will be no opposition.

                      Joh

                      But this is not only against minors. Its against belting from parents, specifically, against belting young adults: while legally everything change, a 18yo living at home and economically depending from parents is not so different from a minor, and my concerns are tied to this situation. I edited the main page to make it clearer

                        @Milord Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt? I think that is not longer a legal issue of possible child abuse. Does it make a difference to you if the older child does not live at home? Does it make a difference if they are not economically dependent? How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a belt before you are opposed to the idea?

                          Milord I haven’t weighed in on this much but thought I’d give my thoughts.
                          For my own situation, I can be economically independent but live at home and contribute financially to my siblings well being, but through an agreement I don’t have much more privilege than they do and mom has my keys.
                          And I’m generally opposed to a minor being pushed towards or into a device, and have told my brother as much, even though he believed that would be the answer when he asked me for advice. I still steered him away from it.

                          You won’t find anyone here to my knowledge that has a different opinion on the subject. My only caveat to that is as others have mentioned, is if he insisted on being in one, as the adults we need to assure it’s not forced, their mental health is looked after and that they understand what they’re doing and that they’re safe doing it.

                            Sasha
                            Hi Sasha thanks for answering. I thought a lot about your situation, and this is what convinced me to exclude explicitly, as you can read here

                            Milord People willingly wearing it

                            I explained in other posts what is my opinion on your specific situation, so for me the post is not applicable to you, as it is not appicable to several others situation.
                            Moreover you wear it under a specialist supervision, and this for me make a huge difference. I suppose that if the therapist told you that you should stop wearing it you will stop, right?

                            Thank you for answering and sorry for the bad format. Difficult to format it on cell phone

                            @Tjc Are you suggesting that because the forum is opposed to putting minors in a CB against their will that it should also be against parents putting older offspring in a belt?

                            A lot of people in this forum think that for parent to put their offspring in chastity is a good idea. I strongly disagree, and my opinion is that belting from parents is deadly wrong. I expected my idea to be strongly opposed.

                            Tjc think that is not longer a legal issue of possible child abuse

                            Correct. I say that it's wrong, not that it is illegal

                            Tjc Does it make a difference to you if the older child does not live at home? Does it make a difference if they are not economically dependent? How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be

                            Make difference if he live at home? . The more a person is independent, the more he can't be pressured. Someone living away and economically independent will be very hard to convince, so if he/she accepts, its probably from his/her own will

                            Does it make a difference if they are not economically dependent. Yes. A lot. Purse string can be a very powerful mean to convince someone, so definitely it makes difference

                            How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be. None. There should be no pressure at all. Unless some very specific situations where the son or daughter asks for it, a parent should never ask sons or daughter to wear a chastity belt.
                            I added 12 points on which my opinion is based. There are many more, but I try to stick with this because they are pretty straightforward.

                              Milord How much pressure can parents put on an over 18 child to wear a be. None. There should be no pressure at all. Unless some very specific situations where the son or daughter asks for it, a parent should never ask sons or daughter to wear a chastity belt.

                              All families and family dynamics are different but I am not sure there is anything magic about being 18. When I was 30 and living in my own home and economically independent, I still listened to my parents when they suggested that I do or not do something. The never suggested a chastity belt ( I don't think we knew about them) but they did say I shouldn't date this girl or that girl and their opinion mattered. They had no problem being emphatic (but nice) about what they want me to do. I was certainly independent but there was certainly pressure. (turns out they were usually right. Starry eyed love makes guys do crazy things) There was pressure about a lot of things. Just turning 18 didn't make it magically go away.
                              For many of us, that parental pressure now comes from within because of the way we were raised. I think many, if not most of the people on here who are over 18 wearers do so because they think it is the right thing to do based on values they learned from their families when they were younger. Some wear because their mother sets the example. Some wear in support of younger siblings. Pressure is not always bad and is not always economic or based on threat for being thrown out of the house if you don't yield to it.