Telling others about your belt

Joh

Christine She does not need to say why. It is obviously nuts. Especially under consideration of the law.

Angelina

Joh Especially under consideration of the law.

that's not true. he took his daughter into his home and asked for this in return. it's a very simple deal. @sara has already said that if she can move out she won't have to wear the equipment and if the relationship progresses that will be the case soon.

Christine

Joh It is obviously nuts

It is, but how to eliminate or reduce it?

Joh

saras She is quite dominant (bossy) and one thing tat she liked about me was how 'submissive' i am and said it does fit with that.

What will you say if she likes the CB on you and will demand it if you live together?

Vanessa

saras

Good she reacted well to it,even if it is not surprising!🙂

Good too you can now kiss and hug,but,yes,nothing more for you,and it is very frustrating...

Joh

Good question.

Joh

Angelina he took his daughter into his home and asked for this in return.

Not everything in a contract is covered by law. Many things are forbidden.
But it looks like we are in the same situation, that you don't respect the law when it doesn't suit you, as in your case. You think the law should not apply in family matters, so you don't respect it.

Angelina

Joh You think the law should not apply in family matters, so you don't respect it.

i think then that laws are not appropriate when agreements are made voluntarily by two adults, then the state has to stay out of it.

youdontknowme

Most laws restricting contracts are designed to prevent exploitation - when one party tends to have much less negotiating power than the other, it is not a 100% voluntary agreement, which is what justifies the government stepping in. Apartment rentals, bank accounts and employment are a few common examples.

Angelina

youdontknowme Apartment rentals, bank accounts and employment are a few common examples.

that's true, but this is a family matter and not a business deal

Joh

Angelina that's true, but this is a family matter and not a business deal

And what should be the difference? Children in particular have much less influence and possibilities, and that is why the protection of the law is there.

Sara2001

Angelina that's true, but this is a family matter and not a business deal

I think this is also important in a family. Because parents normally have the home and the money and therefore much more power.

Sin

Angelina this is a family matter and not a business deal

It's a sexual matter concerning a minor and / or a dependant. The law absolutely should be involved in such incestuous cases.

Angelina

Joh Children in particular have much less influence and possibilities, and that is why the protection of the law is there.

but in this case it is two adults in a family who have made an agreement. So no Problem

Sin It's a sexual matter concerning a minor and / or a dependant. The law absolutely should be involved in such incestuous cases.

@saras is an adult woman,

Sin The law absolutely should be involved in such incestuous cases.

what does this have to do with incest?

Ines Forum does not endorse any activity against laws.

if two adults within a family make an agreement it is not a violation of the law because the law does not have jurisdiction there.

Ines

Sin
Absolutely, if law is defied, law must act.
Forum does not endorse any activity against laws.

youdontknowme

Sin The law absolutely should be involved in such incestuous cases.

Not sure incestuous is the big issue here, as while enforced chastity concerns a person's sexuality (and therefore falls under sexual consent rules - freely given, revokable and all that stuff), it is not a sexual act unless you make it one.

The far more critical problem is the power imbalance, especially if the wearer is a minor or the parent otherwise still has a duty to care for the wearer as a dependent. In that case, using that relationship to negotiate the terms of a chastity agreement - which would always have to be assumed thanks to the aforementioned power imbalance - can quickly end up qualifying as sexual assault or any other crime in that category.

Joh

Angelina but in this case it is two adults in a family who have made an agreement. So no Problem

I see it as you but it can be tricky. Some laws cannot be overridden by private contracts.

Angelina if two adults within a family make an agreement it is not a violation of the law because the law does not have jurisdiction there.

Sorry, this is not valid. In very broad areas, privacy and decisions within the family are protected from the intervention of the state. However, when there are very strong inequalities, such as domestic violence, the state may and must intervene. In some cases the law has jurisdiction there.

Ines

Angelina if two adults within a family make an agreement it is not a violation of the law because the law does not have jurisdiction there.

Agree, more or less.
I did not mean they were breaking laws, I was making a generalization.

Sin

Angelina what does this have to do with incest?

...says the girl who's Daddy interferes with her genitalia, locks her in bondage devices and watches her shower.

We've been through this before. There are many cases described on this forum that warrant the intervention of authorities, and a prosecution would be simple to achieve, regardless of age.

Angelina

Joh Some laws cannot be overridden by private contracts.

i do not know which law would contradict this agreement

Joh such as domestic violence

this is about physical assault which is a criminal offence, this is a much higher level

Ines I did not mean they were breaking laws, I was making a generalization.

ok, that sounds better . I think I can agree with you (more or less)

Sin ...says the girl who's Daddy interferes with her genitalia, locks her in bondage devices and watches her shower.

I don't think I want to continue the discussion with such a pejorative undertone but I'll try again. Incest would require that he performs a sexual act on me, but that is not the case (rather the opposite).

Avery

Sin We've been through this before. There are many cases described on this forum that warrant the intervention of authorities, and a prosecution would be simple to achieve, regardless of age.

I've tried three different times now to come up with the proper words to describe how absurd, how disgraceful, how harmful the idea is that what we so often read here is a family matter and the authorities have no business moving in to protect children but I have failed. There are better writers here than I so I'll let them do it.

Jen

Avery yes even as I think most are stories - Ines I think commented that if it was real abuse they wouldn't have access to internet to tell the world. But even stories- people shouldn't be thinking like that.

youdontknowme The far more critical problem is the power imbalance, especially if the wearer is a minor or the parent otherwise still has a duty to care for the wearer as a dependent.

Yes this describes what I'm feeling like even if making deals - I get anxiety if not really staying in control as well. This is good I'll say this to them.

Sin your comments make me very worried about people finding out because I agree and trying to explain seems weird but it doesn't actually feel weird but yeah different and not normal.

Ines

@Sin @Avery

Well, my opinion:
Although I consider that some practices are clear abusive, (however I believe that some of those described here are mere fantasies and little by little those users are sliding towards fetishism), I do not think that none of the ones I have read incurs incest.
That said, any abusive behavior is reprehensible and simply has no place in the West.

Raziel

Ines
I haven't really seen any bad chats in that level, except for abuse in harming children. I would have remembered if someone expressed a fetish interest in that topic, but yeah, trolls are really annoying here as they haven't contributed to tips or support in others who are uncomfortable with their belts. I would like to see a troll wear a real chastity belt and see if they will express their same desires for the belt. Their suffering would be a nice payback in exchange for false stories becoming true.

Ines

Raziel . I would like to see a troll wear a real chastity belt and see if they will express their same desires for the belt.

I will go further, I hesitate that most of them are even girls.
About men, I am not so sure, I can think or believe something reading their posts, but, with girls, sometimes I read impossible things.

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