New Rules

Vanessa

Angelina just that it is a little better now

Some parts are worse,I think...

Angelina but there were other reasons then

But it is very similar.

Angelina and where exactly is the difference? it is the same, only that my father does not have to be physically present

There wouldn't be any camera in your room.Huge difference,in my opinion.

Angelina it's a deal and has nothing to do with punishment, it's an accessory and now part of a deal.

Yes,but it works exactly like when you're punished by having to wear the connection chains.

Angelina I think I'm being misunderstood here.

I don't think so.It is your rules,but these rules affect mainly her,so she should be present when discussing it.

Angelina

Vanessa Some parts are worse,I think...

yes, but the advantages are better than the disadvantages. besides i can always say that i don't want to use the advantages, then i don't have to bear the disadvantages

Vanessa There wouldn't be any camera in your room.Huge difference,in my opinion.

no because it doesn't matter. it's the same if he watches me personally or via camera, besides it's only for one hour per week

Vanessa Yes,but it works exactly like when you're punished by having to wear the connection chains.

Yes, but I have a question. Do you think if you agreed to wear the bra when Emilie slept with you, you might have gotten better deals?

Vanessa I don't think so.It is your rules,but these rules affect mainly her,so she should be present when discussing it.

just to put your mind at rest, camryn came to see me yesterday. we talked about everything and if she had wanted to change anything she could have. 🙂

Vanessa

Angelina no because it doesn't matter. it's the same if he watches me personally or via camera, besides it's only for one hour per week

No way to be sure he would never turn it on at another time.

Angelina Do you think if you agreed to wear the bra when Emilie slept with you, you might have gotten better deals?

I don't think so.Otherwise my parents would told me what advantages I would have gotten if I agreed.

Angelina

Vanessa No way to be sure he would never turn it on at another time.

ah ok now i understand your concerns, i forgot to describe how the system works. normally the camera is not in my room. if i want to have the hour "free time", i tell my father and he gives me the camera. i switch it on. when the hour is over, i give him back the camera

Vanessa I don't think so.Otherwise my parents would told me what advantages I would have gotten if I agreed.

then i would not agree either, but with me it is something else, i get something in return for wearing the connecting chains

Vanessa

Angelina ah ok now i understand your concerns, i forgot to describe how the system works. normally the camera is not in my room. if i want to have the hour "free time", i tell my father and he gives me the camera. i switch it on. when the hour is over, i give him back the camera

Still not perfect,but better than to have the camera in your room permanently,sure!

Angelina then i would not agree either, but with me it is something else, i get something in return for wearing the connecting chains

But I still think you could have managed to avoid it;even if there could be a risk the rule would not change.My parents take care to differentiate well rules and punishments.When they decided I have to wear thigh bands when staying at home when they're not,after the end of my studies,they have changed the punishment too(as it was "only" wearing thigh bands before),to not have a rule implying almost the same thing than a punishment.

Angelina

Vanessa Still not perfect

perfect would be to be completely free, but not everything can be perfect 🙂

Vanessa if there could be a risk the rule would not change.

well i didn't have many options my father offered me this deal and i could accept or decline but if i had declined i would have got much less breaks from the bra 🙁

Vanessa My parents take care to differentiate well rules and punishments.

we do that too. punishments are always temporary but rules are not.

Only that we allow the same "tools" to be used for both

Ines

Vanessa My parents take care to differentiate well rules and punishments.

Pretty logical.

Vanessa When they decided I have to wear thigh bands when staying at home when they're not,after the end of my studies

I do not endorse forced wearing, but I think this a correct approach, these are moments in which we need wear a totally safe belt. We all fight our belt much more in these circumstances! 😆

Vanessa

Angelina perfect would be to be completely free

Sure,but it wouldn't happen soon...🙁

Angelina well i didn't have many options my father offered me this deal and i could accept or decline but if i had declined i would have got much less breaks from the bra 🙁

Not possible to negotiate a bit more?

Angelina we do that too. punishments are always temporary but rules are not.

Only that we allow the same "tools" to be used for both

Another way to differentiate rules and punishments,yes.

Personally,I "like" they don't put a rule which would have the same consequences if I follow it or be punished.

Angelina

Vanessa Sure,but it wouldn't happen soon...🙁

Sure 🙁

Vanessa Not possible to negotiate a bit more?

No, it was the only possibility my father accept. 🙁

Vanessa Personally,I "like" they don't put a rule which would have the same consequences if I follow it or be punished.

that's true, but since we have many contracts, at some point we no longer have enough "tools"

Vanessa

Angelina Sure 🙁

I understand you well,it is the same for me...🙁

Angelina No, it was the only possibility my father accept. 🙁

Even not possible in some time?

Angelina that's true, but since we have many contracts, at some point we no longer have enough "tools"

Yes,as it is very detailed,it is more complex...But I still think punishments should be different,even if it needs more time to think how to adapt the rules to differentiate these.

Angelina

Vanessa Even not possible in some time?

at least not in the near future, maybe after my next birthday when we renegotiate

Vanessa .But I still think punishments should be different

as i said before, punishments are different, only the tools are the same

Vanessa

Angelina at least not in the near future, maybe after my next birthday when we renegotiate

A long time to wait to renegotiate it...

Angelina as i said before, punishments are different, only the tools are the same

But the effects are very close.

Angelina

Vanessa A long time to wait to renegotiate it...

that's right 11 months 🙁

Vanessa But the effects are very close.

of course, but punishments end at some point 😉

Vanessa

Angelina that's right 11 months 🙁

Sorry for you! 🙁

Angelina of course, but punishments end at some point 😉

Not exactly,if there is rules that are similar to punishments,it is like you are permanently punished until these rules change...

Ines Pretty logical.

I think so,too.

Ines I do not endorse forced wearing, but I think this a correct approach, these are moments in which we need wear a totally safe belt. We all fight our belt much more in these circumstances! 😆

I don't think so.I've fought it before and never win,and I think my belt is secure enough(and,anyway,I would not spend the entire day fighting it with no success).Thigh bands are an unnecessary add,and very unpleasant...Even if I understand what you mean,I don't think the same.

Angelina

Right!😉

Angelina

Ines these are moments in which we need wear a totally safe belt.

no, i can't agree with you (even though i understand your reasons) and @Vanessa probably can't either 😂

Angelina

Vanessa it is like you are permanently punished until these rules change...

no it's a consequence of the rule, but i think it's just a feeling thing

Vanessa Thigh bands are an unnecessary add,and very unpleasant

and besides i don't feel that i'm fighting less through the tighbands, rather more

Vanessa

Angelina i think it's just a feeling thing

Yes,we probably only feel it differently.

Angelina and besides i don't feel that i'm fighting less through the tighbands, rather more

Similar for me.

Roland

Angelina So I get the one hour without tighbands,

During this hour are the thigh bands removed or only the chain between them? How long do you estimate does it last to remove the thigh bands and put them on again?

Angelina

Roland

the chain is firmly welded, so the tighbands are completely removed during this hour. the whole thing takes about 2 minutes, there are only 3 padlocks, not too long

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