the lock!

Angelina

HHelen As everybody else.

yes and no, as i said i think it depends on the consequences. small fights yes, everyone does them but really serious attempts ....

Vanessa

Angelina if the consequences are not very severe, she will probably try.

We all try;even if the consequences are severe...

HHelen Not now, but it's possible.

When she starts studying at the university?

HHelen But I don't know it.

Most of us would have problem to pick the lock,these are effective enough for it.

Angelina

Yes,it depends on how we fight it.But we all try to defeat the lock,or to slide something under the belt.

Angelina

Vanessa We all try;even if the consequences are severe...

Vanessa Yes,it depends on how we fight it.But we all try to defeat the lock,or to slide something under the belt.

that's what i mean, we all try to defeat the belt sometimes, that's what i mean by small fights. but we don't all try to destroy the belt with a bolt cutter etc. 😉

HHelen

Vanessa When she starts studying at the university?

Yes.

Vanessa Most of us would have problem to pick the lock,these are effective enough for it.

I have the same impression, but, again, @BikelockFugitive thinks differently.

Angelina that's what i mean, we all try to defeat the belt sometimes, that's what i mean by small fights.

Basically you want to unlock and lock it back secretly.

Vanessa

Angelina

Sure!😉

HHelen Yes.

Already decided or still hesitating to do this?

HHelen I have the same impression, but, again, @BikelockFugitive thinks differently.

But he's very skilled in lockpicking.

HHelen Basically you want to unlock and lock it back secretly.

It would be useful for us!😉

Angelina

Similar for many of us!😉

HHelen I was not successive in it at all.

Another reason to not think your daughter manage it easily.

Joh

@Lana.

Joh

HHelen I have the same impression, but, again, @BikelockFugitive thinks differently.

Pick a lock and you see how easy or difficult it is.

BikelockFugitive

HHelen Ay, you would be suprised at their successes if they were to give it a shot for once

Angelina

HHelen Basically you want to unlock and lock it back secretly.

if this would work, it would solve all my problems (regarding the chastity equipment) 😃

HHelen

Joh Pick a lock and you see how easy or difficult it is.

I was not successive in it at all.

Angelina if this would work, it would solve all my problems

And I don't want to be made a fool.

Tobbe

When it comes to these special locks, it's not just about being able to open them without keys. It is a trust that is also broken, if it is discovered. What then?
Maybe the happy moment to get the lock open, means consequences that were forgotten?
Many have an agreement to wear this chastity belt - free studies, driver's license, car and other things that may disappear the moment the lock opens - without the right key.

Joh

Tobbe
I don't think this needs to be explicitly mentioned but it's good if it is done.
Everything that is at stake here can be traced back to reliability and trust.
If you have an agreement you keep it -> reliability.
The other side trusts that it will be kept. -> Trust
If one of these is not there, it is useless, no matter if a belt is worn or not.
If both are present, a belt is not necessary.

Sure, some are of the opinion it gives more security. But to me it looks like wearing a jumpsuit with a belt and suspenders. Sure, it's safer but not necessary.

Tobbe

Joh ...and you think these arguments hold, when she stands there with her chastity belt off and is found to have illegally opened it?

Joh

Tobbe ...and you think these arguments hold, when she stands there with her chastity belt off and is found to have illegally opened it?

Is this happen you mad some mistakes.
You did not a good job as a parents.
You are not able to assess a situation correctly and you have classified your relationship as good. If it was she would talk to you first that something could happen.
You have not learned to recognise whether you can trust her or not.

The belt can be picked or broken independent how save the design is. If she want to come out she can.
What is the difference? In both cases the agreement was broken.

@BikelockFugitive
Something for you

Tobbe

Joh You can come up with as many points as you want, but still this is something within each family.
You think it's wrong, but someone in the family must have thought it was right and therefore buy and use chastity belt.

Joh

Tobbe You think it's wrong, but someone in the family must have thought it was right and therefore buy and use chastity belt.

And here I disagree. The belt is not a solution because it acts on the effect and not on the root of the problem.

Tobbe

Joh I do not think you really understand what I'm writing.???
Parents and daughter have an agreement - if this is broken, she will get rid of what has been agreed. Maybe tuition fee, student room, a car and more.
If she open her belt without permission, she gets rid of all benefits. This is what I pointed out in my first post and then you pull away with the fact that there are completely different, about not good job as a parent etc...

Joh

Tobbe I do not think you really understand what I'm writing.???

I did understand it but you don't understand my point.

Tobbe Parents and daughter have an agreement

For an agreement is it necessary that it work you have to trust each other. Otherwise it makes no sense. If both sides are trustworthy and will stick to the agreement why then a belt?
The belt is a contradiction in terms. If it is necessary, there is no trust. Then even a belt will not prevent the agreement from being broken. So it is better to work on the cause than on the effect.

HHelen I was not successive in it at all.

Than you have not to worry about a possibility which is unlikely.

Tobbe

Joh We talk around each other!
You are before the chastity belt has even been discussed. Can work and probably does for most families. But those who have already chosen chastity belt as a solution to the "problem", then it is too late to come up with all the points you list.

I mainly wanted to point out the consequence of being tempted to open the belt illegally.
Do not have a big discussion about alternatives to chastity belt, when it already exists and is used in the family.

HHelen

Joh Than you have not to worry about a possibility which is unlikely.

I didn't need it that much.

Vanessa But he's very skilled in lockpicking.

He claims that every girl is able to do the same.

Joh

Tobbe
I agree with you if they cheat and it comes out it will have consequences. In any cases.

You can make it as safe as possible but there will always be a way around it. Sure the effort increases.
However, if there is mutual trust in the commitments, the security becomes obsolete. This is my point. Instead to spend a lot of effort to make the belt more save spend the effort in your relation.

Angelina

Joh Instead to spend a lot of effort to make the belt more save spend the effort in your relation.

why don't you think both are possible? i think it can work to work on the parent-daughter relationship and use the belt as a complementary tool. of course i think it should be on a voluntary basis, but i don't want to rule out that it can work that way.

Joh

Angelina why don't you think both are possible?

Oh, I think both is possible but it will only work fine if they have an agreement which fits both.
As an example, I can't remember her name, she has an agreement with her parents. She lives in another town and she wears the belt all time but has 1 hour time every evening to open it for cleaning and for fun. In exchange she got a car and the money for the school and living.

Ines

Joh She lives in another town and she wears the belt all time but has 1 hour time every evening to open it for cleaning and for fun. In exchange she got a car and the money for the school and living.

I do not share it.
A girl should not have responsibility about her belt.
I am against the wearer can have any power about her belt.

Angelina

Joh Oh, I think both is possible but it will only work fine if they have an agreement which fits both.
As an example, I can't remember her name, she has an agreement with her parents. She lives in another town and she wears the belt all time but has 1 hour time every evening to open it for cleaning and for fun. In exchange she got a car and the money for the school and living.

@Lana, yes this agreement was really very well structured

JonesMacGyver Keeping passwords in your head works great... Until you get get older and start forgetting them... 🤣

if I forget something it was not so important 😉

HHelen He claims that every girl is able to do the same.

and it is precisely this point that I doubt, but it is certainly possible with a lot of training

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