Ines it is abject, but I think we do not make a favour to the forum talking again about a old thread that was locked.

I agree, @Ines . But I thought it was worth it to point out that after, supposedly, going through all these terrible - abject you said - experiences she now suggests she is going to expose her daughter to the same. @a_father is right when he says "It is very bad" and "But she thinks about suggesting her (future) daughter wearing a belt".

By the way Chastity bra, the thread I quoted, is not locked. I quoted her in part to make sure she did not delete the stuff.

      Avery

      Oh, thanks....
      I will mod it right now.
      I go across all threads, but is a strenuous job. 🙄

        Honestly from my experiences with German culture, nudity in the family is usually no big deal. Of course there is a difference between not wearing clothes and being ordered to take them off, but that difference is mostly the consent boundary that her father has already crossed, but that she would not want to cross in the same way with her daughter.

          youdontknowme but that she would not want to cross in the same way with her daughter.

          It is the father that must not cross the boundary.

              Kaja Good words. I agre3 with you for 150%

              I wouldn't say that I am in a sm relationship. I am not in a relationship with equal rights, so I disagree in this point. But I am in a consensual relationship where I agreed (and still do) to have less rights and to be kept belted. Beside this, I can agree.

              But I think what we do has almost nothing in common with SM. SM is mostly a sex game.

                  Angelina so just so i get it right: your thesis is that you think i accept the belt because i have sadomasochistic traits, wow !

                  As I replied to @a_father, I don't want to discuss individual cases. My hypothesis and its development were of a general nature, which does not mean, however, that they apply to everyone. It's my fault that I didn't anticipate @a_father referring to a specific case (yours). If you felt offended by my reasoning, I am very sorry.

                      Sara2001 I wouldn't say that I am in a sm relationship. I am not in a relationship with equal rights, so I disagree in this point. But I am in a consensual relationship where I agreed (and still do) to have less rights and to be kept belted. Beside this, I can agree.

                      But I think what we do has almost nothing in common with SM. SM is mostly a sex game.

                      Sadomasochism is not a fully defined concept, so everyone can understand it differently. Personally, in the context of typical consensual play, I usually use the term "BDSM". Sadomasochism has a broader (medical) meaning for me, including situations where there is a hierarchical relationship of a sexual or quasi-sexual nature between two unequal parties, one dominant and the other subordinate. Both the DSM-5 classification and (no longer valid) ICD-10 exclude "classic" BDSM from the spectrum of sadomasochism for the purposes of diagnosis.

                          Andrew Both the DSM-5 classification and (no longer valid) ICD-10 exclude "classic" BDSM from the spectrum of sadomasochism for the purposes of diagnosis.

                          Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.

                              Angelina I would never suggest it to my daughter, but talking about it is not a crime, what my daughter does with the information would remain her own decision

                              You want to tell your daughter, you were abused by your father? This may distroy the relationship between your (future) daughter and her grandpa. She may be scared of him afterwards. Better you wait till she is an adult. Othewise she may fear having to wear a chastity belt, too.

                                  Ines The truth is sometimes hard, sorry. It has nothing to do with being impolite. We talk about masturbation and the role of the keyholders is important. I'm sure nobody without a dominant vein becomes a keyholder by indroducing a chastity belt into the family.

                                      Andrew I think one example (@Angelina) that doesn't match would show you, your theory isn't perfect (but definitely appropriate in some cases). In physics you need only one negative example to break a theory. Comming from a technical background, I often argue like this. Of course, this doesn't have to be the case everywhere.
                                      Some girls don't like the belt but the power imbalance was in the beginning so huge that they couldn't reject the atempt. If @Angelina 's story is true, so is her.
                                      I think if the power imbalance or the brainwashing is intensive enough, everybody can be talked into a chastity belt. This is my problem with this kind of families and especially the keyholders.

                                          a_father The truth is sometimes hard, sorry.

                                          No, it only is when someone insists on being inconsiderate.
                                          The "truth" in most cases, except a few, can be replaced by "your opinion."

                                          Apart from that, your words in your last post are acceptable, not in the previous one, proof that, when you want to, you are even capable of speaking like a normal person.

                                          Keep this tone in the future. Thank you.

                                            curious Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.

                                            Regarding masochism. What you write applies under the DSM-5. Masochism is no longer a disorder according to ICD-11. From the old category of "sadomasochism" (in ICD-10), only "Coercive Sexual Sadism Disorder" is left (code 6D33 in ICD-11).

                                            As for sadism, it can be diagnosed in both classifications not only if it disturbs the person, but also if he or she takes actions under the influence of this disorder that pose a threat to other people (this applies mainly to sex offenders).

                                            a_father I think one example (@Angelina) that doesn't match would show you, your theory isn't perfect (but definitely appropriate in some cases).

                                            First, I clearly wrote that it is a HYPOTHESIS, that is, something that can be confirmed or disproved. Secondly, I pointed out that it concerns the "large part of the girls on the forum", not "all" or even "the majority". You, on the other hand, provided a good argument against my hypothesis, for which I am grateful. 😁

                                                curious Actually, both masochism and sadism are still part of medical diagnostic standards, but today there is one critical element that must be present for this diagnosis to actually apply: the person must feel that he/she is actually suffering from having these feelings. If you have either masochistic or sadistic urges but are completely fine with that, the medical diagnosis criteria are not met.

                                                Do I understand it right. If a person doesn't suffer under e.g spanking, the person is no masochist?

                                                    Joh
                                                    Not in a medical way where "masochism" is then defined as a treatable disorder.
                                                    And it is not about suffering under spanking. It is about the mental suffering from having these urges which make it either a medical condition that should be treated or just your personal sexual preference.

                                                    So unlike many years ago, where doctors could say "oh, you like to be spanked, well, that makes you a masochist and you should get treated for this", today it is actually the patient himself/herself who decides if he/she is suffering from a mental illness called masochism and requests treatment or not.

                                                        curious Ok. If someone has no mental illness, he/she is healthy and can live happily ever after.
                                                        Is he/she a masochist or not if it is not seen from the medical point of view?

                                                        • Ines replied to this.

                                                            Joh
                                                            It is a paraphilia, but sometimes is linked with psychiatric diseases, as psycopathy.
                                                            Then, it is a problem.

                                                              Avery she now suggests she is going to expose her daughter to the same

                                                              no, that's just not true, i wpuldn't suggest my daughter to wear a belt, i would never do that, i'm just saying that i wouldn't forbid her to either

                                                              Avery It is the father that must not cross the boundary.

                                                              yes, my father crossed a line because he (psychologically) forced me to do it, but that doesn't apply to my later children)

                                                              Andrew If you felt offended by my reasoning, I am very sorry.

                                                              I don't feel attacked, I find it interesting. I don't agree with that, but I would be interested to know why some users think that

                                                              a_father You want to tell your daughter, you were abused by your father? This may distroy the relationship between your (future) daughter and her grandpa. She may be scared of him afterwards. Better you wait till she is an adult. Othewise she may fear having to wear a chastity belt, too.

                                                              not even that. I try to explain it. There will come an age when my (hypothetical) daughter will begin to develop her sexuality. Of course she is allowed to masturbate and hopefully she will find a nice partner with whom she will have her first sex. I just want to show her and describe objectively how it was for me and why it was like that and what advantages and disadvantages it brought. Of course I don't want to influence you, but it should be possible to talk about it

                                                                        Angelina I just want to show her and describe objectively how it was for me

                                                                        Don't do that. You can't imagine how weired this would be for her. You live in an absolut parallel world now. When you are free for a while an look back you'll understand. Perhapse you even want to talk with the athorities about what happened to you.
                                                                        For you I hope your girfriend is the right partner for life and the marriage is not driven be the abuse of your father. You had no chance to develop your sexuality in a normal way. I hope you don't become the victom of your father for a second time.