Why do you think masturbation is wrong?

youdontknowme

Max9 but the fact that your genitals are covered closely by the warm "hand" of the belt just feels really good.

Dunno about the warm part. I like the feeling of metal devices most when I am just putting them on and they are cold to the touch.

Andrew

Jonas See UK NHS for examples.

I'm looking at the UK NHS websites and can't find anything like that. Can you send some link? The UK NHS, on the other hand, has plenty of publications advising masturbation, and those who masturbate are encouraged to cast aside any shame or guilt:

https://www.sexualhealthsheffield.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Masturbation-web.pdf
https://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Sexandyoungpeople/Documents/4boysmay2009nonprinting.pdf
https://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Sexandyoungpeople/Documents/4girlsmay2009nonprinting.pdf

Jonas The two are not the same. If people are caught having sex in public the newspapers will report it one way, if someone is caught masturbating the report will be very different.

It is clear. In the case of public masturbation, we are usually dealing with exhibitionists whose behavior causes - especially in women - fear of a potential attack. For example: You will feel differently when you get on the bus and the guy sitting next to you takes out his dick and starts jerking off than when the couple in front of you starts making love.

Jonas Perhaps this is because ICD suffers from lag. I think you have pre-existing views on this subject. Preconceptions, you could say!

I have a very clear view on the issue of mastubation (as normal and healthy), but I also try to understand the opposite views and their background. Could you point to any contemporary sexological source that presents a negative attitude towards masturbation?

Avery

Andrew when the couple in front of you starts making love.

I'd like to see that. How crowded is the bus?

Jonas

Andrew I once held your point of view and do have the sources that helped me to change my mind. But this conversation feels too adversarial for my taste. I don't need to climb up a mountain to convince you. I simply need to ensure that my own position is correct for me.

Andrew

Avery I'd like to see that. How crowded is the bus?

Usually quite empty, mostly on night lines. In larger Polish cities, such situations take place every few months. I suspect it's the same in other European countries.

Sara2001

Rafael Also say that I don't know why these beliefs surprise you so much when they are quite widespread.

Because they are not quite widespread. At least not in Germany. Here it's seen as a very fundamentalistic and outdated point of view. Far beyond being conservative.

Ines

Sara2001 they are not quite widespread

Agree, of course they are not the most common perspective at all, but certainly they are not innovative or unknown ideas.
If I think about philosophy in my home, and it is not very different.

Sara2001 Far beyond being conservative.

No, I think most of people neglect in this field, but do not neglect it does not mean being conservative.

Andrew

Sara2001 Rafael Also say that I don't know why these beliefs surprise you so much when they are quite widespread.

Because they are not quite widespread. At least not in Germany. Here it's seen as a very fundamentalistic and outdated point of view. Far beyond being conservative.

In Poland, the situation is somewhat similar to that in Germany, with the difference that masturbation is certainly more taboo - it is a topic that is basically not discussed either at home or in public, except for publications on sex life. Moral objections to masturbation are presented only by church circles, but few people care about them, similarly to the teaching of the church on contraception or premarital sex, despite the fact that most Poles are Catholics, at least declaratively. Reflections on the need for women to conduct themselves better than men are perceived by the majority of society as outdated and usually ridiculed, although they sometimes appear in the public space, such as the statement of the Minister of Education Czarnek about "strengthening the virtues of women".

Avery

Andrew Usually quite empty, mostly on night lines. In larger Polish cities, such situations take place every few months. I suspect it's the same in other European countries.

Interesting. In the US I've never heard of people doing it on the bus or the tube but rather in the hot tub at the gym in the hours just before closing.

a_father

Kaja I think it is always a kind of control over the children. Men (parents) who want to control children's sexuality. It is alway abusive (except in a sm relationship with partners having the same power and like this kind of sexuality).
Most girls here started in their youth and now it's a kind of Stockholm syndrom. They could quit, but they don't because they are afraid of losing their parent's love. But this kind of love is no love at all. Or they think, they reached so much (I don't knowvwhat they reach) and the brainwashing continues.
I don't mean to offend anyone here, it's just my opinion. But keyholders here should think about what I said, too

Kaja

a_father Good words. I agre3 with you for 150%

Andrew

a_father I agree with you, but I will make one more hypothesis. Sadomasochistic behavior sometimes also occurs in children (I know what I'm talking about, because I've had this type of tendencies myself since about the age of 6, and chastity belts have turned me on since I was 13). It seems to me that a large part of the girls on the forum are simply in a sadomasochistic relationship, only not with a sexual partner, but with their parents. This relationship generally suits them and gives them satisfaction, even when it is sometimes difficult for them in practice. The average teenage girl of today, if her parents offered her to wear a chastity belt, would probably react something like this: "Are you completely fucked up!?". Acceptance by a minor of wearing a chastity belt is for me either a manifestation of specific inclinations or evidence of the use of violence (especially psychological) that the person wearing the belt experiences.

Sara2001

Kaja Good words. I agre3 with you for 150%

I wouldn't say that I am in a sm relationship. I am not in a relationship with equal rights, so I disagree in this point. But I am in a consensual relationship where I agreed (and still do) to have less rights and to be kept belted. Beside this, I can agree.

But I think what we do has almost nothing in common with SM. SM is mostly a sex game.

Andrew

Avery It seems to me that in Europe such situations happen much more often, because the penalties for "indecent acts" are much lower than in the USA, in some countries even symbolic.

Ines

Andrew "strengthening the virtues of women".

It is very important in my opinion, they are weak, and without women virtue, society in general is worse.

Avery

Andrew Reflections on the need for women to conduct themselves better than men are perceived by the majority of society as outdated and usually ridiculed

I find this unfortunate. I get my ass patted by some of my classmates and teammates, not just strangers on the subway. I cannot imagine a society where women behaved as badly, or anywhere near it.

Joh

Angelina I don't actually find that funny, my girlfriend was also 14 when we met, so why shouldn't that be a valid argument?

OK. I meant it as a general solution is not possible.
If you are in the right age range it is possible in Germany. I don't know how it is in other countries. In that case it is a solution.
Under consideration you start to find out what sexuality is masturbation is the first step before you have a relation with someone else.

Angelina

Joh Under consideration you start to find out what sexuality is masturbation is the first step before you have a relation with someone else.

yes, that was the case with me too, but it's a bit difficult with the other one. I was 14 and then your example is correct, but many started much earlier than I did

Andrew

so just so i get it right: your thesis is that you think i accept the belt because i have sadomasochistic traits, wow !

a_father It becomes very bad, when you can read here, the current weares would suggest their future daughters to wear a chastity belt.

I would never suggest it to my daughter, but talking about it is not a crime, what my daughter does with the information would remain her own decision

a_father But she thinks about suggesting her (future) daughter wearing a belt...

no, I don't, sorry if that was expressed wrongly, I just want to show her what I wore, why and what advantages and disadvantages there are, after that she can decide what she wants, she can also ignore it completely. I'm only writing about hypothetical situations in which my daughter would want it and how I would react to it

Joh

Max9 Apart from that many people, especially men, don't have a high after an orgasm as man, others do, but become sad or even a bit deoressed after masturbation. For them (us) it's better to avoid masturbation because that way they can actually live an overall happier life. You can sort of compare it to alcohol or drugs. You have a good time when you orgasm, but after it's gone it's nit nice anymore and after some time you also have the desire to masturbate again which becomes stronger day by day.
Avoiding masturbation gives me a way happier life.

This fits for you but I can't confirm it. And I believe you will find many men who have a happy life with masturbation.

Avery

Joh This fits for you but I can't confirm it. And I believe you will find many men who have a happy life with masturbation.

And so do many women, me at least when I was doing it. The comparison to alcohol is interesting. True, many people who try it end up in trouble, but many more, I think, don't.

Max9

Joh Many are, for sure. But some - or even many aren't.

Avery

Andrew The average teenage girl of today, if her parents offered her to wear a chastity belt, would probably react something like this: "Are you completely fucked up!?".

I believe you are correct.

Andrew Acceptance by a minor of wearing a chastity belt is for me either a manifestation of specific inclinations or evidence of the use of violence (especially psychological) that the person wearing the belt experiences.

I rather think that regardless of any inclinations, most minors have no choice, from a practical standpoint.

a_father

Andrew I think almost none of the young wearers had ever heard something about chastity belts by their own. They know about them, because parents introduced them into the family. And no teenager would ever tell parents, he / she wants to be locked in a chastity belt. Parents want to control their children in this way.
It becomes very bad, when you can read here, the current weares would suggest their future daughters to wear a chastity belt. Here you can see that abused GIRLS EDITED may become abusive themselves when they are adults.
And none of the keyholders can bring up justifications that stands up to scrutiny. It's a family tradition (no it's not), girls don't do this (why not?), it's a bad habbit (why?).
There are no really reliable justifications. The best justification would probably be: Because I want it that way.

Jen

Andrew The average teenage girl of today, if her parents offered her to wear a chastity belt, would probably react something like this: "Are you completely fucked up!?".

Yeah but it's not like that - first there's the talking the shame and guilt the what you did was wrong - and then promises. But yeah actually when they finally had the belt it was easier to say no - it seemed insane. Like it's still insane but actually not impossible I know now. And this is another thing making me think Mum must have worn one before like how can you but think it's insane unless you've done it yourself.

Raquel

Avery I find this unfortunate. I get my ass patted by some of my classmates and teammates, not just strangers on the subway. I cannot imagine a society where women behaved as badly, or anywhere near it.

Completely agree, we girls who have been well educated constantly see how they try to diminish our principles and they want us to behave like scoundrels and shameless.

Andrew The average teenage girl of today, if her parents offered her to wear a chastity belt, would probably react something like this: "Are you completely fucked up!?".

It depends on what that girl has seen in her family. I asked for my seatbelt, although the regime is a little stricter than what I expected.

Max9

Avery Interresting. I've always thought that's a male issue only

Avery

a_father There are no really reliable justifications.

There are cultures where virginity is highly prized and young women would suffer grave social consequences if they had sex out of marriage and were found out. Parents in such a society perhaps are justified in taking steps to prevent their daughters from falling into this trap. For them it would be an act of legitimate concern for their daughters' welfare.

Long term, change the culture. But short term ...

Andrew

a_father And no teenager would ever tell parents, he / she wants to be locked in a chastity belt.

I can imagine such a situation if chastity belts were previously worn in the family and the GIRL became fascinated by them. EDITED

a_father It becomes very bad, when you can read here, the current weares would suggest their future daughters to wear a chastity belt.

I fully agree. In my opinion, this circumstance also confirms that wearing a belt gives such a person satisfaction - she likes being controlled and wants to control her child in this way in the future (this is the psychological projection of her preferences onto her girls). EDITED

Laura

a_father And no teenager would ever tell parents, he / she wants to be locked in a chastity belt.

https://unwedchastity.org/d/25-asking-parents-to-be-belted

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