Advice for potential new Keyholders

Tjc

Renita Sasha I’ve felt better at corporate functions being in my belt

I would prefer not being in my belt, but it's not possible.

I do not always like being in my belt but I will admit that at corporate functions and other social situations, being belted makes me treat women "better". By this, I mean, more as a person and not as a potential conquest. It makes for better, more interesting, and more respectful interactions.

Renita

Tjc I do not always like being in my belt

Especially with high heels 😃

Ines

Angelina it is not part of the whole but if it should be "necessary" it is there.

But even in my case, I use it more often than when I did not have it.

Angelina

Ines But even in my case, I use it more often than when I did not have it.

of course, because if something is not there, it can't be used either 😂

youdontknowme Yeah, that is the idea, that either person is as much a victim as a perpetrator in that case. Under any sane legislation, those two statuses would be mutually exclusive when it comes to crimes against consent, but sane legislation is hard to come by when teens trading inappropriate photos have been given rapist status under similarly well-intentioned and poorly-implemented laws.

thank you for mentioning it, i also had to think of this absurdum.
to get back on topic, probably Jane can't take these kind of photos anymore either (at least not soon)

WriterAlexis

MissBlossom

Of course she would. Sex is fun! It feels good!

New idea. How about she wears the belt, but takes it off when she wants to have sex or masturbate. Actually, let's all do that! Three cheers for my wonderful idea.

youdontknowme

WriterAlexis Sounds like a good deal to me. Both in the subversive sense of making not wearing the chastity belt at all a valid option, and in the more serious practical sense of preventing unplanned sex while still allowing her the autonomy to sexually self-determine.

MissBlossom

WriterAlexis New idea. How about she wears the belt, but takes it off when she wants to have sex or masturbate. Actually, let's all do that! Three cheers for my wonderful idea.

I can't tell if you're joking, but that's about how it works for a belted wife, minus the masturbation.

As @Sin said:

Sin he's a guy so it's not like he'll ever say no.

lol!

Ines

WriterAlexis

If you want we can talk it! 😅

Tjc

Renita Especially with high heels 😃

I very much admire women who can walk gracefully in high heels. I do not think I could do it. Admittedly, watching someone who is elegantly dressed being graceful in high heels makes me not like the belt at all. Which, I guess, is the reason to have to wear it. 😆

MissBlossom

youdontknowme If both parties are similarly drunk and agree to something they would not have agreed to sober, you cannot really blame any one person for that.

You can in some US states.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967

it shall not be a valid excuse to alleged lack of affirmative consent that the accused believed that the complainant consented to the sexual activity under either of the following circumstances:
(A) The accused’s belief in affirmative consent arose from the intoxication or recklessness of the accused.
(B) The accused did not take reasonable steps, in the circumstances known to the accused at the time, to ascertain whether the complainant affirmatively consented.

In theory, this means that if two drunk people have sex, either one can accuse the other of assaulting them.

In practice, it means that the man is always at fault.

And for a serious look at liberal craziness, see how some people defended it!

"Yes Means Yes" is a terrible law, and I completely support it

Some people actually sign consent contracts before doing the deed!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/advocacy-group-distributes-sexual-consent-contracts-to-college-students

And there's an app for that.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/09/good2go-a-new-app-for-consenting-to-sex.html

I would hate to be a single guy right now!

WriterAlexis

MissBlossom

I would hate to be a single guy right now!

I would hate to be making 78 cents/dollar, have my bodily autonomy legislated away by men, have every aspect of my weight, clothing, makeup, and general appearance obsessively judged by both the public and social media, and all of those other things single guys have to worry about.

I'd also hate to be a single gal in chastity. What can you do, eh? 🤷‍♀️

youdontknowme

MissBlossom In theory, this means that if two drunk people have sex, either one can accuse the other of assaulting them.

Yeah, that is the idea, that either person is as much a victim as a perpetrator in that case. Under any sane legislation, those two statuses would be mutually exclusive when it comes to crimes against consent, but sane legislation is hard to come by when teens trading inappropriate photos have been given rapist status under similarly well-intentioned and poorly-implemented laws.

MissBlossom In practice, it means that the man is always at fault.

MissBlossom I would hate to be a single guy right now!

Let me just say that sometimes I am very happy to fall under the asexual umbrella.

MissBlossom Some people actually sign consent contracts before doing the deed!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/advocacy-group-distributes-sexual-consent-contracts-to-college-students

And there's an app for that.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/09/good2go-a-new-app-for-consenting-to-sex.html

Such contracts go against the very idea that consent can be retracted, so I guess their merit is mostly in increasing the burden of proof for the prosecution in case of a frivolous rape claim?

MissBlossom

WriterAlexis I would hate to be making 78 cents/dollar

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/03/14/equal-pay-day-myth-truth-income-women/11464213002/

When salaries for men and women are controlled for job title, experience, industry and hours worked, the pay gap nearly disappears.

WriterAlexis

MissBlossom

"When salaries for men and women are controlled for job title, experience, industry and hours worked, the pay gap nearly disappears."

That is a pretty massive caveat to put in there, when you consider there is a systematic bias against women with respect to hiring and promotional practices, as well as the additional asymmetric burden of domestic chores and childcare.

MissBlossom

WriterAlexis
How do you distinguish between "systematic bias against women" and the fact that women just make different career choices and have different life priorities, on average, than men do?

WriterAlexis

MissBlossom

How do you distinguish between "systematic bias against women" and the fact that women just make different career choices and have different life priorities, on average, than men do?

I did not "choose" to be born into a patriarchal system, I did not "choose" that the female role models in my life are nonprofitably hawking MLM garbage instead of being gainfully employed, I did not "choose" that my church positionally advocates for men to be the breadwinners and women to stay in the kitchen (a notion that up until a couple decades ago was vastly more widespread.)

The career and life choices that women make within a system are an endemic feature to that same system, and are only one of the myriad ways in which these biases manifest.

MissBlossom

WriterAlexis
The women I know who wanted careers have them.

Personally, I think those of us who found a good man and GET to be housewives are the lucky ones.

I like to shop and cook.

I have running water and I don't need to transport water for bathing, cooking, or cleaning.

I have machines to heat the food (stove, oven, microwave), heat/cool the house, wash the dishes, wash the laundry, dry the laundry, heat the water, clean the floor, cool/preserve the food (which reduces how much I need to shop), and transport me and my stuff around town. My mom (when she was young) and my grandmother (much of her life) had to chop wood each day for most of those tasks.

I get to choose my working hours and priorities based on when I want to visit with friends and how much energy I have that day, and I have plenty of leisure time for television and games on my phone.

My husband, on the other hand, has to go to work all day every weekday, no matter how he feels or what else is happening in town that day that he would rather be attending. He works his butt off to keep us fed, clothed and sheltered, and I just have to be a responsible steward of our resources when I spend the money.

I don't much like cleaning the toilet, but overall I think I have the much better deal.

If either of us is "oppressed" it is him.

WriterAlexis

MissBlossom

I am happy you have found a comfortable lifestyle for yourself.

I suspect my ambitions will make my path a rocky one to attain the same point, but I will gird my loins for it. (In the metaphorical sense. And ungird them in the physical.)

Ines

STOP. NEXT POSTS NON THREAD RELATED WILL BE DELETED.

MissBlossom Personally, I think those of us who found a good man and GET to be housewives are the lucky ones.

Agree.

Renita

Tjc Admittedly, watching someone who is elegantly dressed being graceful in high heels makes me not like the belt at all

The belt on her? 😃

Sasha

youdontknowme though in your case, both the "voluntary" and the "deserve" are probably a bit more complicated than most.

Voluntary I'm 100%, but in my case I deserve to be over controlled.
Like the boys you allude to, I wasn't much different.

youdontknowme

Sasha Ah, I was under the impression that the choice had been made for you and you just came to accept it. But re-reading your older post, it seems the shock that a careless sexual attitude almost changed your life for the worse by burdening you with responsibilities you were not ready for was enough to get you on board with all this, and you have never felt the desire to back out of the agreement. That would sound as voluntary to me as a parental keyholding deal could get indeed.

As for deserving it, I get that you were a lot more available than you would have preferred to be iin hindsight. But did you ever want to have someone whether he wanted to or not? Because those are the dangerous people I had in mind that might deserve some physical restrictions. Not the sluts, but the aggressors.

Sasha

youdontknowme But did you ever want to have someone whether he wanted to or not?

I never forced myself on anyone, if that’s what you’re asking. But I was aggressive in the pursuit, which made their refusal very frustrating, but had to live with that.
But yeah, relationship status didn’t matter to me, getting paid for it or pushing pretty aggressively. So I think a lot would I agree with deserving it, along with the bands and bra.

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