Moral and legal questions on belting

Sasha

curious Just an aside, the Supreme Court ruled in 1993 that you can not be tried in abstentia.

curious

Sasha
US specific.
Even the International Court of Justice can and has tried in absentia. But I know, the US is not a signee to this because it frequently takes morally questionable actions that serve US interests.

curious

Andrew
The problem with that is what you now see playing out in US political and the question around presidential immunity.
Imagine the family of the killed guy going after the president for murder. Of course they have no standing in court because they don't have political influence. But legally this is very similar to the question 'can the president order seal team 6 to kill a political rival and claim immunity?'. It is about the president making a decision that bypasses law and justice.
What if Biden has Trump assassinated,? Clearly Trump is a huge danger to the entire fabric of the democratic institutions and rule of law and - given his statement to not support NATO countries under attack - to the entire world order and playing into the hands of Putin, Xi and Kim Yong Un. He is a much larger threat than al-Awlaki could ever be. So if one is ok, why not the other?
If you open pandora's box by allowing it in one case, it becomes incredibly difficult if not impossible to define limits of such killings.

Angelina

please, i find this thread very interesting in general, but could the posts please also refer to the second part, namely the belting?

Ines

Angelina

Exactly, @Angelina , it is one of the problems here, we have cultured users, but political and moral discussion (often circular ones) are becoming the backbone! They are OK, but we can not have more off topic threads than related to the forum purposes.

kamalawillwintheelection

Spork Human rights are nonsence.

WriterAlexis

kamalawillwintheelection

Human rights are nonsence.

Try telling that to the humans.

Kaja

kamalawillwintheelection @Laura is there possibilty to ban this user? This looks like too much for me (I hope that Im not only one).

Laura

Kaja Looks like an AI bot

Tonyand03

Laura Whether or not he's a bot, kamalawillwintheelection openly identifies as a fascist and therefore by definition intolerant of opposing viewpoints.
In accordance with Karl Popper's maxim of tolerating everything except intolerance (search for 'The Paradox of Tolerance') he/it should be banned.

youdontknowme

Tonyand03 They also wrote from the point of view of a Catholic and a communist, so I would interpret it as a devil's advocate thing unless confirmed otherwise

Milord

youdontknowme

Or some chatGPT testing

pestulens

youdontknowme You are probably right, though I do find the idea of a tradcath nazbol with enough self-awareness to split his ideology into 3 separate posts amusing in a dark humor sort of way.

Tonyand03

youdontknowme I saw his later posts after I'd commented.
Perhaps he was 'just' trying to be provocative but if that's the case he should let us know.

youdontknowme

I mean, I could see a person combining two of those views in one person, but all three seems like a big ask.

Angelina

youdontknowme but all three seems like a big ask.

I would be interested in the fachist communist 😂

youdontknowme

Angelina I mean, Stalinist USSR came close but did not quite hit the mark, but North Korea seems like a pretty close fit. And before the mid-1930s, several fascist movements had a fair share of communist sympathizers as well. Among German Nazis, Strasser's Black Front would be a prominent historical example.

Angelina

youdontknowme

yes ok, i forgot about stalin and north korea, but somehow a mixed left/right extremist mindset is fascinating

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