WriterAlexis If they aren't belted.
I guess that is sort of his point. Others can eventually come. The belted ones cannot, but the other ones can.
WriterAlexis If they aren't belted.
I guess that is sort of his point. Others can eventually come. The belted ones cannot, but the other ones can.
youdontknowme I take @WriterAlexis and yours as a joke, but to be totally clear, everyone here is welcome to discuss the points. That's why I numbered them, to make easier reference to them. But everyone is welcome. I would really like to have someone contesting, and even convince me I'm totally wrong.
As a life philosophy, I think that an idea to be valid must be able to resist other's criticism.
@Milord Just to attempt to provide some serious feedback I wonder if #4 might need an asterisk. I've learned in this forum that a number of men seem to have or develop an addiction to masturbation and seek to control it with a cage. But many struggle to find a keyholder. So I wonder if there is a place for parents to enforce the wearing of some device to attempt to cure what is apparently a very real problem.
Thank you for your point
Excessive masturbation is a pathological issue and can be addressed as such, with a therapist. For example, see here .
Never read about chastity cage as a solution. Normally blocking the symptom almost never cure the problem, and I still advice against involving parents in adult sexuality. Anyway I take your suggestion and will edit accordingly the point, but still only if it is done on son's request, not from parent.
@Milord Again, to try to provide some serious feedback. I don't believe religious or cultural influences are mentioned. I would fear that someone might say "Well, our religion or family tradition or cultural tradition forbids sex before marriage thus we must put our young people in belts." Is it worth mentioning that 1/4 of the world (the Muslims) forbids sex before marriage and manages it without people using belts?
Avery Again, to try to provide some serious feedback. I don't believe religious or cultural influences are mentioned.
Thanks again. I tried to avoid political, religious, ideological reasons, and reduced to minimum my personal ideas.
Avery Is it worth mentioning that 1/4 of the world (the Muslims) forbids sex before marriage and manages it without people using belts?
For sure it is worth mentioning. But most religion talk about countenance, not physically removing the possibility.
Avery Well, our religion or family tradition or cultural tradition forbids sex before marriage thus we must put our young people in belts."
There is not a belting culture or tradition. How it can be? it's a pretty recent invention. Probably this is the second generation wearing it, no more. Older one will probably causes infections and impossible to wear 24/7 as the modern one. Or this is my idea, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Why Milord is so totally against parents using a chastity device on offspring?
What Milord is doing on this forum?
Milord I think masturbation can be excessive without being considered pathological. Issues become pathological when they interfere with normal daily activities. If you masturbate so much that you don't go to work, that's pathological. If you would rather stay home and masturbate than go to a movie with friends, it might be excessive but not pathological. Not being able to masturbate keeps me from being distracted from other things that might be better for me to do. I find I focus better when I am mechanically restricted. I also find I eat less cookies and junk food when I have a glucose monitor to remind me of their effects. I find I exercise more when I have someone remind me every day that I should. I think maybe #4 needs and asterisk or some rewording.
Tjc you are right, still we are talking about totally preventing it. Totally preventing it is, in my opinion, but I’m not alone, bad.
Using the belt to “cure” excessive masturbation is at least debatable. I added a note on @avery suggestion, still for me it’s like suggesting that putting a muzzle on my son is good because this way we prevent excessive eating. It’s still bad.
moreover since you are an adult and freely use a chastity device to prevent touching, the whole thread is not applicable to you. You are welcome of course, but this is about parents enforcing it
Milord I agree. Being belted cannot cure excessive masturbation but I do think that after a period of wearing, the desire diminishes somewhat. When it is again allowed, then the craving to continue returns in full force.
Total preventing is bad but controlling is of some value.
Used properly, it does not have to be like putting a muzzle on your son to prevent excessive eating. It can be more like wiring the jaw shut to limit eating choices. (I am not suggesting a parent do that to a child either) But masturbation prevention does not have to be an all or nothing situation. It can be about helping to learn moderation.
I understand that you list was not to apply to adults or voluntary involuntary wearers but I do think that someone under 18 who recognizes that they have a problem, perhaps pointed out by parents, may choose a chastity belt as a solution. In that case, the parents are probably the best choice as keyholders.
I can agree, but of course it’s totally out from the perspective of this topic. I still don’t believe it’s a good solution. I mean, if my 14yo (my son is 12, not 14, but he has no puberty, so bad example) son ask me help for something like this I will ask for a specialised help, not allow a chastity belt for various reasons
1) not sure long term effect on his grow
2) if someone discover it, it will have catastrophic effects (even if voluntary wearer)
3) while I want him to be happy, he has to learn to control. I provide the tools, removing possible is the contrary of what should he do. Should he have issues been with other people you help him overcome or you close it at home?
4) Anyway I don’t think that get involved in offspring genital is a good idea
In any case thanks for contributing
it’s like suggesting that putting a muzzle on my son is good because this way we prevent excessive eating.
41.9% of adults are clinically obese. Is surgically reducing the size of the stomach to reduce eating a bad thing?
WriterAlexis I honestly miss how it compare with a chastity belt. Or a muzzle
You are suggesting that physically preventing someone from excessive eating is a bad thing. And I am asking if doing so surgically is also a bad thing.
I ask because it is a common enough practice, such that I personally know multiple people in my church who have undergone gastric bypass, including a relative.
WriterAlexis gastric bypass is not a physical limitation. Reducing the size of stomach gives a sense of fullness. And limit the absorption of food. Doesnt prevent people from eating
Are you comparing a surgical intervention, used to cure a pathological situation that heavily impact health and can lead to death to a chastity belt or a muzzle?
And why I should be against surgery?
It's like asking if I'm against a cast if I break an arm
Milord And why I should be against surgery?
Ultimately, I think the key is that before any surgery, there is extensive medical consultation that establishes:
How many of these points are met in the cases described here?
youdontknowme beside the fact that noone will accept that this decision can be taken by parents unless the patient is incapacitated. I'm really totally puzzled by @WriterAlexis confrontation.