Angelina Thank you Angelina. I will try now in english.
I have some ideas to try to free you all (the girls). But for reasons of geographical proximity and communication, I will first concentrate my efforts on Vanessa and if it's OK for her, you can of course enjoy it all. But I prefer to be careful not to give you false hopes.

    The wonderful of the men... They always try to do something! πŸ˜‚
    Another kind Martian Troll! 🀭

    Vanessa
    Hi Vanessa I was able to read others of your post and I learned that in addition to the device of full chastity that you had to wear you were sometimes severely punished.
    It hurt me deeply to know that such a thing really exists.
    For my part, I consider that the primary mission of man must be to protect girls and never to use his strength or authority to oppress them. Honestly, you have a lot of courage not to have fled your home.
    Given his distress situation I would like to share with you all my deep moral support.
    I would also like to provide you with any technical assistance that could improve your daily "well-being".
    For that you would have to be able to communicate me a maximum of information on the technical design of your belt in particular on the locking devices "tubular locks" where "classic padlock"
    Have you already been able to identify on the internet the same model that you are called to wear? If yes could you give me the link?
    Do you wear your "thighs bands" with chain or with a simple padlock?
    Have the padlocks been provided with the original equipment where did your father buy them later?
    Are there indications padlocks (reference or mark) Would you be able to take pictures of your accessories and take a closer look at the locking systems so you can determine the number of pins in your lock.
    In a second time can you do me a little topo of the time that you are called has passed within each particular equipment (belt only, belt + Tight bands, belt + Tight bands + bra). Try to estimate how much time you will spend in each device from Monday to Sunday.
    Finally would you be able to send me a personal email address so that we can share in depriving and especially in FRENCH on the different ways to free you.
    And if by luck we came to find one, then you could communicate it to others but always in private mode so that no parent can thwart this freedom found.
    As you reside in the same country as me it is better that I concentrate my liberation ef-forts on you.
    Except for Emilie, how many people can you trust to attend this quest for freedom?
    Will it be possible to have materials delivered to their address? Would you agree to put them in touch with me by email by phone?
    I think it's a great challenge, and I'll be really proud to have contributed to the liberation of the status of women.
    Looking forward to hearing from you

      @Vanessa the risk is too high for me, if anyone betrays anything, my relationship is over, my belt is pretty thick, even if I hit it I don't feel anything πŸ™

      @Esteban welcome back πŸ˜ƒ thank you for making the effort, I will read through everything and if there is anything interesting for me to answer πŸ˜‰

        Angelina

        I fully understand your caution since the vibrations on the metal could make a suspicious sound. But is there no time when you have the opportunity to find yourself alone to experience ?
        As for the thickness of the belt I think we should try to place an object between the shield and the clitoris to send it external vibrations. (Steel balls for example). So you have to be careful but also imaginative.

          Esteban

          Thank you.However,even if I,of course,don't like at all to be punished,I can accept it.As I've explained,I don't agree with all the rules,but know that if I break one,I risk to be punished for it,and I've never been punished without a reason or while I didn't understand why.

          We've already discussed about lockpicking(Hi BikelockFugitive! πŸ˜‰ )the locks,and,even if it is something I may use when living alone or with Emilie,I decided it was too risked for me to do it as long as I live with my parents.Even if it would give me a lot of freedom,sure.

          And even if I like your tries to free us,I'm not at ease to post/send pictures,e-mail adress or postal adress(even more the ones of other people).As I said,I like your efforts for helping us,but I don't want to give so personal informations.

          However,I can answer some of your questions.As far as I know,the classic locks come for My-Steel.And I've only one on the thigh bands,no chain between them.

          I've the chastity belt always on,except for supervised showers.For the thigh bands and the chastity bra,even if not punished,it varies every week.But at least several days with it on during the week,during my parents' work.And I've often to wear the chastity bra but not the thigh bands,when I go out alone.

          Angelina the risk is too high for me, if anyone betrays anything, my relationship is over, my belt is pretty thick, even if I hit it I don't feel anything πŸ™

          I agree the risk is very hard for you.I can understand it makes you not wanting to try,even more with not being sure it will work.But I advise you to keep it in mind,to be able to try it if you want,even if you never dare it(which would be understandable).

          Esteban I have some ideas to try to free you all (the girls).

          Wat? Again? 🀣

          Esteban The fact that you’re even trying this shows you really don’t get it.

          Welcome though?

          Esteban I think we should try to place an object between the shield and the clitoris to send it external vibrations. (Steel balls for example).

          Introduce what!!! 😱😱
          Esteban, wellcome. I think you have a good number or wrong conceptions about us and our belts.
          First of them I will have the honour of solve right now: It is matearially impossible introduce nothing between our shield and our bellies. This is the point of wear a chastity belt. Every girl here has treated to fight against belt, even me being a proud an convinced wearer. A lot of centuries making efforts to avoid uncontrollated female activities achieve to get very perfect devices.

          Esteban, be polite, be warm, be supportive and everybody here will be pleased of solve your curiosity. πŸ™‚

            @Ines I like @Esteban 's thinking. Finally another person who does't care about anything and just suggests thing we would try IRL. c: Welcome home buddy.

              i would try but on the one hand i don't have devices like a vibrator and i have no possibility to get it without my father noticing it, on the other hand it's a risk and trust issue, if i would cheat the belt, i couldn't have an honest relationship with my father anymore, i think that what @Esteban writes here are things we had already discussed, it doesn't matter, because we could break the belt anytime πŸ˜‰ what is completely ignored are again the social consequences, how it would harm the family. always only constructive but no emotional solutions are found.

              i think that's a pity, i don't need any solutions to break the belt, i can do that myself. i need solutions to not damage my social environment, why doesn't anybody respond to it ?

              i hope you understand what i mean, it should finally be offered at the other (social) end solutions and not only how to break the belt

              sorry for my words i mean that not bad but i think i had to say this once

                Angelina
                Do not be mad with him! πŸ˜‚
                Sometimes it sucks, but when you think about, it is lovely when you see a man trying to do her best in order to help a woman, that in many cases did not ask for help! πŸ˜…
                Even sometimes it is very tired I like see that men try to help and protect us, (thinking right now about this: maybe it is a bit different for you due you like girls? What do you think?) , I love protective gentlemen and I hate unruly and disrespectful guys.
                About social issues...It is a bit difficult, you are totally right, πŸ˜•.
                Maybe if your father achieve to relax a bit, you will gain some freedom. I think that Camrym and your extra shower can be a beginning!
                Anyway, have a nice day today! You deserve it!

                  BikelockFugitive
                  It's nice to share my point of view even though I just understood it was wrong.
                  Like you, I am very affected by the distress of these young women. Sincerely tear my heart out what they have to undergo on a daily basis. Only Ines seems to live with his situation. But we must bear in mind, however, that they live in extraordinary family environments that are beyond comprehension.

                  And from this extraordinary family situation emerges two main fears for girls:

                  • The fear of being unmasked in case of fraud on the belt and take the correction of their life. And I can understand that they are reluctant in not wanting to take the risk of reducing the little freedom they have in their daily lives. Therefore we must be careful with the different tips we give them. They yearn for more freedom but they are all paralyzed at the thought of getting caught

                  • In addition, for some of them the moral constraint to pass for a poorly educated girl who would think only sex in wanting to please. And here we must keep in mind that even if their parents have a totally deviant behavior, they are still their parents! And this emotional connection must not be underestimated. This is what Angelina's post tends to show in which she explains that even if she did not get caught by her father, she would still be deeply affected to betray her trust. I understand that it is very difficult to understand but it is their state of mind and we do not have to judge it. In relation to this problem I would say that it would first unlock the spirit of their father so that the latter can unlock their belt. So for those who feel morally guilty of betraying the trust of their father, it would be more appropriate to offer them a pitch that could trigger a click into their father's mind rather than offer them ways to escape the device. .

                  I hope that with my analysis you will arrive at the same conclusion as me.

                    so last post for today is coming camryn πŸ˜ƒ

                    @Ines I know that Esteban wants to help us and I'm not angry either, I'm even very grateful and Esteban has my post luckily understood correctly πŸ˜‰ I also think that it doesn't matter if I'm dating a girl, because I'm bisexual and can imagine relationships with both sexes (if currently only with camryn). i think it's good if a man takes care of a woman only i'm a little annoyed that every man here always first sees the constructive and not the emotional side, i hope that will change soon πŸ˜‰

                    @Esteban first of all thanks that you understood me and now you have gone more into the emotional side πŸ˜ƒ . the thought lock to open I have tried very often but so far always without success. I know why he wants to close me and I accept it, but I think he is in his thoughts and loss fears quite stuck πŸ™
                    nevertheless I read myself gladly your tips by even if so far still nothing for me thereby true πŸ˜‰

                    until tomorrow you love πŸ˜ƒ

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                      Angelina i hope that will change soon πŸ˜‰

                      It is easy! Only we need a massive extinction and rebuild the human species since we go out of the sea! πŸ˜‚

                      Ines
                      Hello Ines
                      I beg you to forgive my ignorance about the design of the chastity devices that you are all called upon to wear. Having never had any contact with this type of "product" that I would call "disconcerting" I apologize for writing a mistake.
                      In fact, if I suggested this idea it was because I thought I understood that Vanessa had managed to introduce small objects into her shield without achieving the desired effect. And I deduced that the vibration of the shield would be ineffective if there was no contact reinforced by the zone of pleasure.
                      Otherwise it is true that your opinion is unique since you seem to be the only one to accept the principle of restricting your sexual freedom. Moreover, the fact that your younger sister may still be free of her actions proves that there is a certain family consensus on the subject. In your family your parents encourage you to master sex-ually but without forcing you by force or blackmail.
                      If I can afford a comparison: it's a bit like encouraging teens to wear braces so they can have perfect teeth in adult-hood. In the beginning, the dental appliance provokes a physical and aesthetic dis-satisfaction but it will generate an advantage for the adult. Does my example of the dental appliance go in the direction of your conception compared to the idea that you have chastity?
                      In other words, I respect your opinion because you are intimately convinced of ob-taining a superior blessing once married. In a way you seem to make it a point of honor to master you sexually and I can only congratulate you to impose such disci-pline on your future husband. I hope he will consider you a princess and behave like a prince charming to you. Moreover β€œInes” rhymes with β€œprincess”.

                      On the other hand I am deeply upset and revolted by the story of girls who are locked against their will. I consider it an unpardonable male oppression that can have serious psychological consequences on girls many years later. In addition I recently discovered that some of them were also physically punished just for the principle every Sunday. Their story so upset me that I would have preferred never to discover this forum and remain in a certain naivety in thinking that this type of situation did not exist. Now that I know I am deeply uncomfortable with this distress. And I unders-tood that on this point our opinion was convergent. Am I right to think so?

                      If not in relation to your situation, I would like you to shed light on two questions:

                      Could your younger sister be punished if she was caught masturbating where does she have total freedom until she decided to wear the belt?

                      As you seem to be firmly convinced that you should not masturbate, could not you just swear to your parents not to do it?
                      And in case of breach of your commitment you agree to submit to a regime more stringent than the one you currently have for a certain period defined in advance. I think this type of consensus would be less infantilizing and would save you a lot of hygienic and physical constraints. Moreover you would feel valued on the moral plane since you would be able to master yourself. It would not be the metal that would dictate your behavior but only your sincere desire to honor your parents. If I take again the example of the dental apparatus: you could obtain an impeccable den-tition by making the commitment not to suck your thumb during your childhood. Do you like my demo?

                        Ines
                        Attention the other Mac Gyver to yet another idea:

                        1. Twist the handle one tablespoon.

                        2. Grasp the spoon upside down.

                        3. Slide the spoon handle from the back of the belt through the shield until you reach the fun zone.

                        4A. Stimulate the pleasure zone by the movement of the spoon or by moving your hips.

                        4B. Or Using a vibrator transmit vibrations to the spoon as soon as it is well positioned in the shield.

                          Esteban
                          πŸ˜… I will try answer all your questions!

                          Esteban Does my example of the dental appliance go in the direction of your conception compared to the idea that you have chastity?

                          Well, Esteban. Can be a little similar, but you have to aware than when a girl accept wear a belt, is giving an enormous trust charge in the hands of key holder. Not only you accept a present disconfort, that is correct too, but also you are giving part of your life to a loved being, first parents, and later, in my case, my husband.

                          Esteban On the other hand I am deeply upset and revolted by the story of girls who are locked against their will.

                          Me too, Esteban, maybeI am not so sad or angry as you, but for me that I was used only to my family approach, I do not like either the suffering of these girls. In my family forced chastity is out of sight, and too was a little shocking for me discovering other approaches and other circumstances. I am southern, and in general I can not understand certain kind of discipline, but talking with both girls they tried to explain me, anyway I can respect their lifestyle, but I can not understand. There is an Italian forum mate, and he is in our same situation.

                          Esteban Could your younger sister be punished if she was caught masturbating where does she have total freedom until she decided to wear the belt?

                          Not at all. In fact she, some time ago, used to annoy me and my sister with that when she was angry. I my home my parents can ground us, what happens few times, but in a similar manner to other families.

                          Esteban As you seem to be firmly convinced that you should not masturbate, could not you just swear to your parents not to do it?

                          No, Esteban. It is not, mainly, about girls (in my family), and their pleasure. The belt is about be pampered, to be caressed, about girls that enjoy feminity giving theirselves. In fact, I make sport at more or less high amateur level, and I train and play without belt. I go every day to class without belt. If I have a true need to be released when I am wearing I just have to ask for it. As you can see, if I do not cheat it is not due to lack of opportunities.
                          Belt in my family is a door to a way of being woman, selfgived and amorous, and It is a wonderful path if a girl can selfrealise in it.

                          A pair of days ago my mother wrote in this forum, a very nice post, Allow me advice you to read it.

                          Esteban I beg you to forgive my ignorance about the design of the chastity devices that you are all called upon to wear.

                          Nothing to forgive. It is something estrange for you.

                          Esteban I suggested this idea it was because I thought I understood that Vanessa had managed to introduce small objects into her shield

                          You, with effort you can introduce something flat, girls here recommended a cosmetic palette, and well you can achieve scratch a little bit, but nothing similar to stimulation.

                          Chastity belts are very perfect devices. Are pieces of very fine work! πŸ˜‚

                          PS: Esteban, do you like cinema? I love the cinema. Allow me a weird question: Have you seen The hunt of the Red October?

                            Ines First of them I will have the honour of solve right now: It is matearially impossible introduce nothing between our shield and our bellies. This is the point of wear a chastity belt. Every girl here has treated to fight against belt, even me being a proud an convinced wearer. A lot of centuries making efforts to avoid uncontrollated female activities achieve to get very perfect devices.

                            I agree;I've tried some very thin objects,like a ruler,for example(Catherine and me have given few examples of objects we tried on Misterpoll),but never succeed to get an orgasm this way.And small objects are impossible to use.Otherwise,we could use fingers or partner's tongue to reach orgasm...

                            Angelina we could break the belt anytime πŸ˜‰ what is completely ignored are again the social consequences, how it would harm the family. always only constructive but no emotional solutions are found.

                            I could even tell my parents I will stop wearing it and tell them to give me my keys,and the'yll do it,but I should be prepared to leave quickly and don't expect to have much contact with them after it...until I change my mind or be married,at least.

                            Ines Even sometimes it is very tired I like see that men try to help and protect us, (thinking right now about this: maybe it is a bit different for you due you like girls? What do you think?) , I love protective gentlemen and I hate unruly and disrespectful guys.

                            I don't think it is very different when we're attracted to women,and not(only)to men.But,as @Angelina noticed,a woman can understand better the emotionnal side of it.

                            Ines Maybe if your father achieve to relax a bit, you will gain some freedom. I think that Camrym and your extra shower can be a beginning!

                            Yes,Angelina's father seems to have given her some more freeedom and rights,but I don't think he'll change his mind,even a little,with chastity,anytime soon...

                            Esteban The fear of being unmasked in case of fraud on the belt and take the correction of their life. And I can understand that they are reluctant in not wanting to take the risk of reducing the little freedom they have in their daily lives.

                            I would get one of the worst spanking I ever got,sure,but the possible restrictions with Emilie would be the main punishment for me...

                            Esteban In addition, for some of them the moral constraint to pass for a poorly educated girl who would think only sex in wanting to please.

                            In my case,if I didn't fear the consequences,I would not feel very guilty to break the rules about chastity...As I don't agree with these.

                            Esteban I would say that it would first unlock the spirit of their father so that the latter can unlock their belt.

                            It would be very hard to make our parents change their mind about chastity...

                            Esteban I consider it an unpardonable male oppression that can have serious psychological consequences on girls many years later.

                            In my case,my mother totally agree with it,it is not only my father's decision.And,even if I don't like it,I don't notice problems related to it.I can have fun times with friends,am in a wonderful relationship with my grilfriend...So it is unpleasant,but I don't think it would always have bad consequences on our life,except the wanted ones when we're wearing it.

                            Esteban

                            i don't think it will work with the cable one or the band one,maybe a bit with the chains one.However,it may makes the vibrations stronger,if the vibrator is strong enough at first,to compensate a bit the belt.I don't think it would be enough to stimulate me,but using it with a good vibrator may be useful.

                            And the spoons in my home are not thin,except the silvery ones.

                            Ines Not at all. In fact she some time ago used to annoy me and my sister with that when she was angry.

                            Was it accepted?My parents won't tolerate my twin tease me with it or discuss it in public.

                            Ines You, with effort you can introduce something flat, girls here recommended a cosmetic palette, and well you can achieve scratch a little bit, but nothing similar to stimulation.

                            It can even be a lot of frustration!

                            Ines Chastity belts are very perfect devices. Are pieces of very fine work! πŸ˜‚

                            Too perfect,in my opinion.It won't be bad if these were a bit less effective...

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