Ines In the field of chastity belt, there is only a worse thing: use a belt as punishment.

Vanessa Forced permannent wearing is worse, in my opinion.

I noticed that you disagreed about the chastity belt used as punishment. For one is much better (Vanessa) while for the other is worse than anything (Ines)
But in reality you do not have the same approach at all and your disagreement is not real.

Let me explain why :

To the attention of INES :

It is obvious that in Vanessa's mind the use of the chastity belt as punishment is largely preferable for her because the duration of her sentence was necessarily for a limited period of time (several weeks)

Once the punishment time had passed, Vanessa know that she would regain the freedom to masturbate at some point once the punishment was over.

Once released from her belt, she still had the opportunity to avoid futur punishment (and therefore the wearing of the belt) by behaving in an exemplary manner or avoiding getting caught. She had a partial control of her masturbations and orgasms (to note that the masturbation that is fundamental for HER but not for YOU)

And in Vanessa's mind since the belt is no longer used as a punishment it is obvious that the belt can only be used to force her to be a sexually irreproachable woman until the day of her marriage.

And use in the belt in this design is will impeach Vanessa of masturbating for an indefinite period of which she does not will know the end.

Vanessa feels then in the same state as a prisoner sentenced to life while under the punishment's regim Vanessa knows his time of penance.

To the attention of VANESSA :

It is obvious that in INES's mind the fact of using the chastity belt as a punishment against elle is absolutely detestable since it would mean that his parents would force him to wear the belt in order to PUNIR. (which they have never done until today)

No wonder that Ines would be deeply revolted against this type of approach because it would have no say. His consent, his opinion, would no longer be respected by his parents. And in his mind There would be breach of the contract of trust between her and her parents.

In INES 'mind, using the chastity belt as a punishment would make him lose control of his consent and trust in his parents.

So to summarize YOU HAVE EVERY BOTH REASONS in your views but because you dont have the same starting approach according to your main expectations.

The essential for VANESSA is to be able to have a maximum of opportunity to masturbate.

The essential for INES is to always be able to wear the belt in a concensual setting where his opinion must be respected.

I hope that with my demonstration you will be perfectly in agreement with the opinion of the other. I think I missed my vocation as a conciliator for family affairs.

All that to say that the Martian Troll better understand the Venusian. But not sure, however, that the Venusian understand as well the state of mind of the Martian Troll that I am.

      Vanessa

      it's an idea, so i must be less afraid that camryn will be a victim of rape 😉 but the difference to cb is that the wearer can take off the pants himself, only others can't 😉

      @Esteban

      I understand what you want to tell us, I personally want to join the view of Vanessa, since I find the permanent wearing much worse than the cb as punishment, but I also understand why ines sees it differently 😉

          Angelina I understand what you want to tell us, I personally want to join the view of Vanessa, since I find the permanent wearing much worse than the cb as punishment, but I also understand why ines sees it differently 😉

          It's quite logical since you're currently in the same situation as Vanessa. Between the permanent port and the occasional port as a punishment you would be also a winner by opting for temporary punishment.

          But I think you still prefer to be in Ines' situation. Have much more flexible parents who do not use the belt as a repressive object. I'm almost certain that in a more consensual setting you could consent to the wearing of the belt if you felt more empowered by your father. No ?

          And in fact I will even advise you to try to achieve this result when you are 18 years old. This could be a good understanding because officially you will be an adult able to vote and make adult choices.

          And if you want to achieve this result you would have to start working on the father's mind now so that you can get more freedom in a little less than 2 years.

          If the main preoccupation of your father is to preserve your virginity until you are married it would suffice to make him understand that you agree on the principle for that to continue after your 18 years. But you would only agree to continue wearing the belt only outside the house or inside if there is a guest.

          If your father refuses the principle of this deal then you will have to make him understand that he will risk losing everything. You will have to make him understand that one day when the other you will not support to be treated "like a little girl" and that you will take the risk to escape with the first come. Therefore all these efforts to try to protect you from harm will have been used for nothing.

          You have two years to try to win a psychological fight but start now in small doses

          I will even advise you to entrust your future life project to your grandmother during a shower break. The goal is that she can perceive the danger of a too rigid position of your father when you will reach the majority (18 years).

          She will tell him about your intentions. This will necessarily worry your father and I am sure he will try to approach the subject with you.

          And at that moment you will make him understand that it is not necessarily your first choice but that it could become it.

          A bit in this style:
          "Yes, yes, daddy, to be perfectly honest with you, I would like to admit that I am not sure that I will ever be treated like a little girl when I became an adult and that I would have acquired the right to vote. If I have right to vote is that I have the capacity to decide the future of our country so it is logical that I also acquired the age to decide for myself " I hope you understand my opinion.

          So I want to make an effort to preserve myself until the wedding since it is really important to you but on the other hand I will not accept to be watched "like a little girl" anymore. You understand my position I hope if one day when the other I will eventually crack and you will have lost everything.

          Angélina if you do want to improve your future situation, start working on it now.

          In all sincerity it is the best opportunity that will come to you and you do not risk anything to try it.

          Nothing ventured, nothing gaine

              Esteban

              in an environment like the family of ines i would perhaps be able to convince myself to wear a cbs. but then i would have much more freedom 😉

              this is really a very good tip from you, to be honest it's by far the best i've received here so far (big compliment to you) 😃

              i will think about this step, it could give me a lot of freedom. i would have to wait at least 4 years until the wedding (until camryn is 18) but i will be of age in 2 years 😉

              i can't make a decision yet but i will think about it the next days and then decide if i want to talk to my father about it

              I'll leave my grandma out of it because it's a lot harder to talk to her than my father.

                  Angelina this is really a very good tip from you, to be honest it's by far the best i've received here so far (big compliment to you)

                  Thank you Angélina here I am pleased that you could find my proposal to your taste. We both know that will not be easy. The approach will be based on the long term. But it is important to smear the seeds in your father's mind so that you can hope for more freedom in the years to come.

                  If you need to discuss the subject, I advise you to take advantage of positive family events (Very good school report card, graduation ...), ie an event during which your father will can only be proud of you. (It will be more difficult for you to refuse something in a moment when you will be highlighted)

                  I strongly advise against addressing the subject if you find yourself in a bad position during your discussions in mind. (Basically if you have things to forgive you for)

                  Otherwise I also think of a supplementary argument in relation to the fact that you want to get married as quickly as possible with Carmyn.

                  "Dad, if you do not agree to soften the conditions of wearing the belt, it will unfortunately make me get married in haste with the sole purpose of being able to have the fullness of my sexual freedom." Therefore the choice of my partner will be inevitably less reflective, and I risk having an unhappy marriage. Whereas if you soften the regime of my chastity I will be able to wait longer to be more certain to make the right choice "

                      Esteban

                      thanks for your advice. i only discuss important things when my father is in a good mood and he is proud of me. so i can achieve the best for me 😉

                      hmm you're probably right about camryn. but i'm currently assuming that i'll stay with camryn. we want to get married anyway when camryn is 18 and not just out of a hurry (although that's an important point) but out of love. also we'll be together already 4 years which is enough time (i think)

                      for the (i hope not occurring) case that i shouldn't be together with camryn anymore, i will think about the tip again 😉

                        Angelina it's an idea, so i must be less afraid that camryn will be a victim of rape 😉 but the difference to cb is that the wearer can take off the pants himself, only others can't 😉

                        Yes,it would be very different feelings.

                        Angelina I understand what you want to tell us, I personally want to join the view of Vanessa, since I find the permanent wearing much worse than the cb as punishment, but I also understand why ines sees it differently 😉

                        I understand it too.For us,it is more the physical part of it,prevented to have any orgasms anymore,while,for @Ines,it is more the psychological part,the feeling to be punished with her belt.

                        Angelina

                        I'm not sure it would be that useful,as he doesn't only want you to wear it to stay virgin,but to prevent you to masturbate,too.So I doubt he would accept you're more free at home...

                        And it could make some talks and situations more tense...

                                Vanessa

                                i still doubt it 🙁 that's why i haven't done anything in this direction yet. it would be a hard fight and i would fight this fight in 2 years anyway. i'm not sure yet but the idea of Esteban is very good 😉

                                    Laura You can just ignore this case, most of girls lose their virginity with full consent.

                                    Sorry Laura but it's not because there are fewer girls who lose their virginity against their sandstone that we must do as if it did not exist.

                                    Statistical information on rape is often underestimated because the victim feels terribly ashamed. Some studies claim that 1 in 6 French women have been raped or attempted to rape in their lifetime. That's almost 17%, it's not insignificant.

                                    https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2019/02/08/combien-y-a-t-il-de-viols-chaque-annee-combien-de-plaintes-combien-de-condamnations_1708081

                                    My demonstration is to argue that this should be the first attention of a father who pretend to love his daughter sincerely. Protect her as much as she can so that nothing bad happens to her.

                                    But what hurt me is that it is not the first priority of some parents who wish above all to preserve the purity of their daughter so as not to feel dishonored.

                                    What I find really revolting is that some of them might find it less damaging that their "little angel" was forced rather than accept that she could afford a man with all her heart.

                                    Roughly some parents would be much more upset that their daughter could have disobeyed them rather than happened to her. Such an attitude disgusts me.

                                    • Ines replied to this.

                                        Esteban What I find really revolting is that some of them might find it less damaging that their "little angel" was forced rather than accept that she could afford a man with all her heart

                                        Esteban, I think your approach is wrong. My parents, and I think all parents of all girls here, (please correct me if is not the case), would prefer largely that her daughter could lose her virginity willingly that for a rape.
                                        A rape is probably one of the worst crimes. In Spain, it is "common", that in prison, the other recluses beat to rapist and even kill them. The law of the prison. If it is done for criminals in prison, think about perception of decent people about rapes.
                                        But, thankfully, the risk of rape, is very low. I found not believe that French statistics, it is impossible.
                                        Or you are taking in account a slap in the cheeks as sexual abuse.

                                            Angelina

                                            For now,you should concentrate on getting a chain for the thigh bands!😉

                                            If you marry Camryn as soon as possible,it would maybe be better to wait;even if I know how hard it is!

                                            Ines

                                            I agree with you.I never even thought to ask them,but I'm 100% sure my parents would tell me they prefer I've lost my virginity willingly,instead of during a rape.And I think too it is the case for all of us here.

                                            I doubt a lot about these statistics,too.

                                                  Vanessa

                                                  of course, you're right 😉

                                                  last sunday is the meeting of my chastity diary failed, because my father had no time . we get that this sunday after , I will my father once on it address but only if he is in a positive mood 😉

                                                    Ines Esteban, I think your approach is wrong. My parents, and I think all parents of all girls here, (please correct me if is not the case), would prefer largely that her daughter could lose her virginity willingly that for a rape.

                                                    As far as your own parents are concerned, I have no doubt about their feeling of sincere protection towards you.

                                                    On the other hand, for parents who allow themselves to exercise physical punishment or to place a padlock between the thighs of their own daughter to prevent her from spreading her legs, let me seriously doubt them.

                                                    It is obvious that their attachment to the sexual discipline of their daughter far outweighs what their daughter may feel in her heart. Otherwise why prevent him from masturbating if not to make prevail their conviction to the detriment of the feeling of their daughter.

                                                    In view of the different messages of this forum, it is clear that disobedience is severely repressed and that it is the source of all punishments possible and imaginable. And it is clear that if a girl were to be raped she would not have disobeyed "her little dad" ... Therefore it would necessarily be less serious for his pride. Sorry Ines but that's the sad truth.

                                                    The case of Sara's sister is a very good example.

                                                    She was severely punished for "touching" in the school washroom.

                                                    Assuming she was caught making love to a boy, she would have been fatally punished. We agree ?

                                                    But if she had been abused in the toilette by a boy who she could not push him away, would she have been punished by his father?
                                                    We can hope not? And why ?

                                                    Simply because the vainness parents would not have been reached so deeply.
                                                    And in relation to that you would come to what conclusion?

                                                    Just that being raped in the toilet of the college is less serious than touching in the toilet of the same college ?!

                                                    After this little demonstration are you really sure that I am wrong when I evoke a reality so disgusting for parents who claim to love their children?

                                                    If I gained absolute certainty by reading the various messages of this forum is that the pride and vanity of parents will always pass well before the happiness of their own daughter!

                                                    Otherwise why develop so many means and ploys as vicious as each other to prevent their daughter to touch herself ?!

                                                    I understand that it is deeply shocking to reach such a conclusion, but it is the sad reality.

                                                    If the parents sincerely loved their daughter, they would invest in protective equipment of the "AR Wear" type and not equipment to repress their sexuality.

                                                    Being parents does not mean having a title of property on your child like we one could have a title of property on a car. Being parents it's respected that your child can think differently of you.

                                                    Do girls have the right to think differently ? Of course not !

                                                        Esteban

                                                        you often make me think with your texts, especially because you explain very detailed and logical why it is wrong what our parents do with us. however, i have one please to you, you can not know if our parents love us only because of a cbs, . this forum is meant for us to exchange about our chastity experiences, but it is not the only thing that makes our life good or bad, it is only one thing.

                                                        i for my part am sure that my father loves me even if the cb is not beautiful for me, i never doubted it 🙂

                                                            Vanessa I agree with you.I never even thought to ask them,but I'm 100% sure my parents would tell me they prefer I've lost my virginity willingly,instead of during a rape.And I think too it is the case for all of us here.

                                                            And assuming you ask them about it, do you think they could answer with sincerity?

                                                            If you were animated with the same idea, would you have the courage to confess it to your own daughter? Of course not !

                                                            Sorry Vanessa but know that there are unfortunate truths that parents will never be able to confess in their lives so much they could be shameful for them.

                                                            And imagine that they are stupid enough to confess you the horrible truth ... How would you take it? Would you finally put your belt in them face?

                                                            In order to make you a little less naive compared to the unsavory secret of parents I invite you to take note of this study which shows that a large majority of parents all had a favorite child even though they would ready to swear the opposite in front of their other children.

                                                            https://www.cosmopolitan.fr/d-apres-des-chercheurs-les-parents-ont-bien-un-enfant-prefere,2015114.asp

                                                            It's very instructive about human nature and the shame of true human feelings.

                                                            Vanessa I doubt a lot about these statistics,too.

                                                            Otherwise I am deeply surprised that you could question the stastic data taken by a newspaper as serious as "Liberation".

                                                            This is all the more blameworthy for a girl like you who had no trouble believing that 31% of parents were disturbed enough to lock their daughter in a chastity belt against her will.

                                                            Even though this 2003 study relayed by Renita was based only on a wild survey on the internet, you had no difficulty in admitting its veracity.

                                                            It was also necessary that I deploy the great means to prove you (except Angelina) that the result of this investigation was quite delusional or even totally stupid.

                                                            If you were naive enough to think that 31% of the parents were as crazy as yours parents to lock up their daughter in a chastity belt, you should in a concern of coherence, admit that it is more than propable that one French woman on 6 have been experienced rape or attempted rape during his life. No ?

                                                            Bearing in mind that girls under 20 who have responded negatively to this survey may also be confronted with this tragedy in their future lives.

                                                                  Esteban And why ?

                                                                  Esteban... I rejects some phylosophies of some parents, but, she will not be punished because she did not anything. Fortunately this Is not a Sharia state.

                                                                      Ines Fortunately this Is not a Sharia state.

                                                                      In fact I think that's the case.

                                                                      Indeed the parents of this forum seem to me just as obsessed by the masturbation of their daughter that fundamentalist Muslims can be by their religion.

                                                                      In both cases it is about imposing their way of thinking to others by saying that others are not enlightened enough to understand that it is for their good.

                                                                      What is the most blameworthy?

                                                                      1 ° That parents living in the 21st century in Western countries (considered among the most civilized on the planet) are sufissamant backward to prevent their daughter to touch?

                                                                      or

                                                                      2°. That individuals from underdeveloped countries who have received little education have turned the brain back to the point of believing religious debility?

                                                                      In fact the parents of this forum compel their daughters to wear their belts in order to prove to them all their love just as the Muslim fundamentalists commit the worst attrocities to prove their love to their God.

                                                                      Human bullshit simply has no limit ...

                                                                          Esteban
                                                                          Esteban....
                                                                          Spain has two borders with a Muslim country, you can not guess the situation for women even in a less fundamentalist country as Morocco.
                                                                          Here, almost all our parents can be conservative with girls sexuality, but there, is not just sexuality what is controlled.

                                                                              Angelina

                                                                              I agree.Our life isn't focused only on chastity belt.It is a part of it,reluctantly or not,but it's not our main focus.

                                                                              Esteban

                                                                              I disagree with almost all this post(and it's often the case with your posts),so I won't waste time explaining it to you again,we've already had similar discussions,and we should accept we'll never agree.In my case,I've accepted it.So it's a waste of time for you too, to try to convince me you're right(and even more when you're close to be agressive,like in this post).You should accept we'll never agree,too.

                                                                                  Ines Spain has two borders with a Muslim country, you can not guess the situation for women even in a less fundamentalist country as Morocco.

                                                                                  Sorry Ines but when I read Sara's story I find it hard to think that the situation of Muslim girls can be more terrible to live than hers.

                                                                                  Ines Here, almost all our parents can be conservative with girls sexuality, but there, is not just sexuality what is controlled.

                                                                                  Sorry to be so brittle but here's what inspires me with your statement
                                                                                  "Our parents, who did not want us to ever see the sex of the man, decided to burst our eyes off us.
                                                                                  But we do not have to complain about our fate because we can still :
                                                                                  Hear,
                                                                                  Feel,
                                                                                  To touch,
                                                                                  To taste,"
                                                                                  __
                                                                                  Sorry but as a liberal I consider that repressing sexuality is a crime that should be severely repressed by law.