Angelina i think i am a bit overwhelmed by this thought experiment 😂

I was hoping, because you have experience negotiating, thinking like this would be easier for you. 🙁

Renita That's true, but the question was inspired by Angelina saying "it feels like a part of my femininity is missing".

Maybe you could answer the question more generally. What about your equipment would you trade for what, if magic allowed you to trade anything, and why? It would still help writers like me to understand and write better characters.

For example, what if magic could eliminate your periods and make going to the toilet more convenient than without equipment? How much inconvenience would you be willing to accept in some other way in trade for that?

        Tim I was hoping, because you have experience negotiating, thinking like this would be easier for you. 🙁

        i can negotiate very well, but i can't do that online and in a foreign language as well as personally and in german 😂

        Tim

        this is all quite fictional, when i say that a part of my femininity is missing i mean that my breasts and vagina are behind metal. i wouldn't put anything else into it it's just a fact 🙂

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              Tim I would prefer a classic belt as a reminder.

                Tim

                Interesting question,but I would have to think a lot about it,and,presently,I haven't much free time.If I find some free time to think about it,I would answer you more!😉

                But

                Tim Would it be enough if itches were impossible and the equipment felt so comfortable that you forgot it was there until you tried to touch yourself?

                and

                Tim if magic could eliminate your periods and make going to the toilet more convenient than without equipment?

                wouldn't be enough for me to accept willingly to wear a chastity belt and a chastity bra.

                Renita

                I feel it "take away" a part of our femininity,too.

                          Angelina i can negotiate very well, but i can't do that online and in a foreign language as well as personally and in german 😂

                          That makes sense.

                          Angelina this is all quite fictional, when i say that a part of my femininity is missing i mean that my breasts and vagina are behind metal. i wouldn't put anything else into it it's just a fact 🙂

                          OK. The spirit of my question might still be something that you can answer though.

                          Forget femininity. I'll make the question as simple as possible. If you could trade your chastity belt for a piece of metal the size of a menstrual pad, with magic to stop your period and keep you clean and comfortable, but you would have to wear it until your wedding night, without breaks, would you?

                          Vanessa wouldn't be enough for me to accept willingly to wear a chastity belt and a chastity bra.

                          I understand and I never meant to ask that question. When you have time to think about it, the question I meant to ask was "If you have to choose between a normal piece of equipment and a magical one".

                          Your parents would know you don't need cleaning breaks, but everything else would stay the same. (I'm trying to understand how much you value your breaks.)

                                  Tim Suppose you had the choice to switch to magical equipment that didn't need cleaning breaks and stuck to your body without bands or chains, but you knew it would be staying on, without breaks, until you were married, or graduated, or whatever other condition you have, and it couldn't be cheated.

                                  I would agree to wear such device if I was well paid for it.

                                    Vanessa wouldn't be enough for me to accept willingly to wear a chastity belt and a chastity bra.

                                    i agree, for that i would have to get much more to accept it voluntarily 😉

                                    Tim If you could trade your chastity belt for a piece of metal the size of a menstrual pad, with magic to stop your period and keep you clean and comfortable, but you would have to wear it until your wedding night, without breaks, would you?

                                    now i have understood the question well and i will give a simple answer to the simple question

                                    No ! 🙂

                                    Tim "If you have to choose between a normal piece of equipment and a magical one".

                                    to answer this question too, i would not voluntarily accept either 😉

                                          Renita

                                          not very strong, one does not have to have much to do with the other, otherwise I would be a psychopath by now 😂

                                            Tim You raise an interesting question, which is highly situational in nature and can be addressed from several different angles, so I'm gonna try to hit most of them 🙂.
                                            On the surface, this offer is an excellent one. Besides the lack of self-access, the hygienic and logistical issues prevented by chastity are what really make it a difficult lifestyle. I would love to never have to clean my belt again, or have to work around the fact that frequent unlockings are necessary for cleanings. (With the close supervision required for that, it turns it into a two-person job.) And when it itches, holy crap, that is the WORST because any belt that prevents self-access is certainly going to prevent even a little bit of itching relief. Not to mention all the problems to work around involving dance, exercise or jogging.
                                            So my initial thought is that i would very much like to embrace a magic belt that locks itself in place without any hassle. Indeed, the idea of a time limit is VERY appealing. I would happily have spent several years in my youth wearing such a belt if it meant i didn't have to wear one now. I would wear this magic belt for two, three, even five years if it meant that at the end of it, my memories were wiped of the trauma inflicted on me when my parents guilted masturbation away. I don't feel wholly HUMAN because such a vital part of me has been stripped from my soul. So a few years in an inescapable but convenient-to-wear belt seems a small price to pay.
                                            That said? This magic belt also denies one other crucial thing: hope. Here's something I've been trying to find a way to tell you about given how you are seeking insight into the belted mindset. It is hard to describe how cruelly purgatorial the belt feels. Even for willing wearers at times. It's a constant reminder that you are a little bit different, that for what feels like no reason at all, you are being denied a simple pleasure granted by nature to virtually everyone. And it's just being ... taken away. It feels arbitrary. The willing fetishists who wear the belt are actively seeking that feeling, and I certainly respect them and wish them well in that. For those who are reluctant or somewhere in the middle like me (in that I wear the belt as a tool of last resort because nothing else works to heal my guilt), the feeling is real and it is authentic. Most of the time we ignore it. But every so often, we feel the twinges and the lock-shaking and the resentment kicks in. We have a permanent reminder that we are considered "less than" by some force which controls our lives -- less than others who are allowed to indulge, maybe even that we are simply not "good enough" to deserve such indulgence. It's a complicated feeling and it strikes each of us differently. "Purgatory" feels like the best word to describe it.
                                            But there is also that weird sense of "hope," even if it is a forlorn hope. The memory and understanding that a few simple tumblers or a set of bolt cutters are all that separate you from what you want. Even if we might never pick or break the lock, there is a certain slight comfort in at least imagining the possibility and knowing it is plausible, or that our keyholder might one day take mercy on us.
                                            But this magical belt? I do shudder to think of the feeling of being locked in, even so comfortably, and knowing that there is absolutely, positively no escape until the conditions are met. It's the difference between being sentenced to 50 years in prison or life without possibility of parole, in solitary confinement. They are functionally very similar but FEEL so much different. I look up on my belt with fear sometimes. I think I would look upon this magic belt with abject terror.

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                                                Tim I understand and I never meant to ask that question. When you have time to think about it, the question I meant to ask was "If you have to choose between a normal piece of equipment and a magical one".

                                                Your parents would know you don't need cleaning breaks, but everything else would stay the same. (I'm trying to understand how much you value your breaks.)

                                                Like you explained to @Angelina?

                                                If yes,my answer is the same than her:No.I couldn't look to my private parts anymore for years,and not touch these(even for cleaning),and with not much benefits.

                                                Renita

                                                It can probably affect it a bit,but not much.Of course,it changes much our sexual behavior,concerning masturbation and/or having sex(depending of the belt).

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                                                      Saintprudence or that our keyholder might one day take mercy on us.

                                                      This phrase makes me worry that you misunderstood me, instead of just trying to cover all possibilties.

                                                      My intent was for the time limit to be imposed by the keyholder, so the magic belt doesn't prevent the keyholder from taking mercy. The important difference is how concerns of hygiene wouldn't be forcing their hand... so the hope lost isn't hope for parole, to use your prison metaphor. Instead, the hope I want you to weigh is hope that escape before parole is possible, and the value of having moments when your instincts feel you are free on some level, even if you know on a more rational level that it wouldn't succeed. (The cleaning breaks.)

                                                      Except for that possible misunderstanding, your answer is exactly the kind of of answer I was hoping for. I had a vague sense of the emotions involved, but it wasn't clear enough and I was reluctant to "speak my ignorance with confidence" by assuming the wrong words.

                                                      My goal with this thought experiment is to try to understand the value of that sense of hope.

                                                      Does that change your answer in any significant way?

                                                      Also, thank you for the prison metaphor. For some reason, I haven't sat down and thought deeply enough on what makes the libido so much more suitable to some of my writing ideas than the desire to live free of imprisonment. I might be able to find a way to redesign more ideas to be "respectable" if I do.

                                                      Saintprudence I look up on my belt with fear sometimes. I think I would look upon this magic belt with abject terror.

                                                      When I'm not feeling drained from a few very busy days, I should think about how horror and hope interact. Chastity sits in an interesting gray area in my mind.

                                                      Vanessa Like you explained to @Angelina?

                                                      If yes,my answer is the same than her:No.I couldn't look to my private parts anymore for years,and not touch these(even for cleaning),and with not much benefits.

                                                      Thank you.

                                                      When you have more time to think about it, I'm still curious what benefits you would trade (if anything), but what you answered is the most important part of the question.

                                                      (For example, would having no libido while you wear the equipment be better, because it allows you to ignore it more easily, or worse because it takes away another part of you?)

                                                              Tim (For example, would having no libido while you wear the equipment be better, because it allows you to ignore it more easily, or worse because it takes away another part of you?)

                                                              It would need more thinking,but I think I would feel it worse,as,like you said,it would take away another part of me and of my personality;even if it be would pleasant to make wearing it a bit easier for me,it would not be worth it.

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                                                                  Vanessa That's an interesting difference.

                                                                  I think I would prefer no libido over sexual frustration... but part of my life philosophy is to forget about what you can't change.

                                                                    The conversation here made me curious.

                                                                    Angelina that's true, but if my father would tell me to get rid of the belt and masturbate only once a week, i would stick to it. the danger would be too great to lose this freedom again

                                                                    Vanessa I probably would do the same.It would be hard to resist my urges,but if I know I would have to wear the chastity belt again if I disobey,I would not take the risk...

                                                                    Angelina exactly it could be difficult, but it would definitely be something I would assume

                                                                    Sara2001 I think these offers are very unlikely for us, because our parents wouldn't be able to prove that we don't cheat. Daniel says he trusts me that I want to live in chastity for him, but that I will not be strong enough to stay away from an opportunity when it occurs and that after I have used an unwanted opportunity, there would be some kind of mistrust between us. As long as I stay belted all the time, there is no reason for misstrust.

                                                                    How do you value different kinds of freedom?

                                                                    Instead of a magic chastity belt, what if you were offered a magical monitoring device like Lindsay Lohan's SCRAM bracelet?

                                                                    It wouldn't deny you access to your body at all, and you would shower normally, which is better than the belt, but they would always know when you touch yourself, which would be worse.

                                                                    Would freeing your body be worth giving up that privacy?

                                                                              Tim a magical monitoring device like Lindsay Lohan's SCRAM bracelet?

                                                                              already exists but I think wearing a belt is easier 😂

                                                                              Tim Would freeing your body be worth giving up that privacy?

                                                                              no, definitely not. i need my privacy, i would never give up my privacy voluntarily. of course i can tell my father to install a surveillance camera in my room and for that i don't need to wear the equipment anymore, but i don't want that

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                                                                                    Angelina already exists but I think wearing a belt is easier 😂

                                                                                    Technology needs space. Magic can be any shape and size.

                                                                                    Angelina no, definitely not. i need my privacy, i would never give up my privacy voluntarily. of course i can tell my father to install a surveillance camera in my room and for that i don't need to wear the equipment anymore, but i don't want that

                                                                                    I expected you'd say something like that, but I had to be sure.

                                                                                    There's a difference between a camera, that watches everything and a thing that doesn't have sound or video and only watch for you stimulating your private areas.

                                                                                          Tim Magic can be any shape and size.

                                                                                          I think you've seen too much harry potter. 🤣

                                                                                          Tim and a thing that doesn't have sound or video and only watch for you stimulating your private areas.

                                                                                          but then it would be just a different kind of chastity belt. maybe a little bit more comfortable because then i would not have to wear hard steel. but nevertheless i would still prefer the belt

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                                                                                                Tim Would freeing your body be worth giving up that privacy?

                                                                                                I don't think so.Being always monitored about touching myself,would be very unpleasant.Even if it has an impact only about masturbating,I would feel like I've no privacy anymore...

                                                                                                And,in my case,as masturbating is forbidden,it would mean a punishment each time I would do it(and I would not be able to never do it if I was free to do it).

                                                                                                    Vanessa Being always monitored about touching myself,would be very unpleasant

                                                                                                    it is the reason why we wear chastity devices so that our parents do not have to monitor us