Saintprudence or that our keyholder might one day take mercy on us.

This phrase makes me worry that you misunderstood me, instead of just trying to cover all possibilties.

My intent was for the time limit to be imposed by the keyholder, so the magic belt doesn't prevent the keyholder from taking mercy. The important difference is how concerns of hygiene wouldn't be forcing their hand... so the hope lost isn't hope for parole, to use your prison metaphor. Instead, the hope I want you to weigh is hope that escape before parole is possible, and the value of having moments when your instincts feel you are free on some level, even if you know on a more rational level that it wouldn't succeed. (The cleaning breaks.)

Except for that possible misunderstanding, your answer is exactly the kind of of answer I was hoping for. I had a vague sense of the emotions involved, but it wasn't clear enough and I was reluctant to "speak my ignorance with confidence" by assuming the wrong words.

My goal with this thought experiment is to try to understand the value of that sense of hope.

Does that change your answer in any significant way?

Also, thank you for the prison metaphor. For some reason, I haven't sat down and thought deeply enough on what makes the libido so much more suitable to some of my writing ideas than the desire to live free of imprisonment. I might be able to find a way to redesign more ideas to be "respectable" if I do.

Saintprudence I look up on my belt with fear sometimes. I think I would look upon this magic belt with abject terror.

When I'm not feeling drained from a few very busy days, I should think about how horror and hope interact. Chastity sits in an interesting gray area in my mind.

Vanessa Like you explained to @Angelina?

If yes,my answer is the same than her:No.I couldn't look to my private parts anymore for years,and not touch these(even for cleaning),and with not much benefits.

Thank you.

When you have more time to think about it, I'm still curious what benefits you would trade (if anything), but what you answered is the most important part of the question.

(For example, would having no libido while you wear the equipment be better, because it allows you to ignore it more easily, or worse because it takes away another part of you?)

          Tim (For example, would having no libido while you wear the equipment be better, because it allows you to ignore it more easily, or worse because it takes away another part of you?)

          It would need more thinking,but I think I would feel it worse,as,like you said,it would take away another part of me and of my personality;even if it be would pleasant to make wearing it a bit easier for me,it would not be worth it.

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              Vanessa That's an interesting difference.

              I think I would prefer no libido over sexual frustration... but part of my life philosophy is to forget about what you can't change.

                The conversation here made me curious.

                Angelina that's true, but if my father would tell me to get rid of the belt and masturbate only once a week, i would stick to it. the danger would be too great to lose this freedom again

                Vanessa I probably would do the same.It would be hard to resist my urges,but if I know I would have to wear the chastity belt again if I disobey,I would not take the risk...

                Angelina exactly it could be difficult, but it would definitely be something I would assume

                Sara2001 I think these offers are very unlikely for us, because our parents wouldn't be able to prove that we don't cheat. Daniel says he trusts me that I want to live in chastity for him, but that I will not be strong enough to stay away from an opportunity when it occurs and that after I have used an unwanted opportunity, there would be some kind of mistrust between us. As long as I stay belted all the time, there is no reason for misstrust.

                How do you value different kinds of freedom?

                Instead of a magic chastity belt, what if you were offered a magical monitoring device like Lindsay Lohan's SCRAM bracelet?

                It wouldn't deny you access to your body at all, and you would shower normally, which is better than the belt, but they would always know when you touch yourself, which would be worse.

                Would freeing your body be worth giving up that privacy?

                          Tim a magical monitoring device like Lindsay Lohan's SCRAM bracelet?

                          already exists but I think wearing a belt is easier 😂

                          Tim Would freeing your body be worth giving up that privacy?

                          no, definitely not. i need my privacy, i would never give up my privacy voluntarily. of course i can tell my father to install a surveillance camera in my room and for that i don't need to wear the equipment anymore, but i don't want that

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                                Angelina already exists but I think wearing a belt is easier 😂

                                Technology needs space. Magic can be any shape and size.

                                Angelina no, definitely not. i need my privacy, i would never give up my privacy voluntarily. of course i can tell my father to install a surveillance camera in my room and for that i don't need to wear the equipment anymore, but i don't want that

                                I expected you'd say something like that, but I had to be sure.

                                There's a difference between a camera, that watches everything and a thing that doesn't have sound or video and only watch for you stimulating your private areas.

                                      Tim Magic can be any shape and size.

                                      I think you've seen too much harry potter. 🤣

                                      Tim and a thing that doesn't have sound or video and only watch for you stimulating your private areas.

                                      but then it would be just a different kind of chastity belt. maybe a little bit more comfortable because then i would not have to wear hard steel. but nevertheless i would still prefer the belt

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                                            Tim Would freeing your body be worth giving up that privacy?

                                            I don't think so.Being always monitored about touching myself,would be very unpleasant.Even if it has an impact only about masturbating,I would feel like I've no privacy anymore...

                                            And,in my case,as masturbating is forbidden,it would mean a punishment each time I would do it(and I would not be able to never do it if I was free to do it).

                                                Vanessa Being always monitored about touching myself,would be very unpleasant

                                                it is the reason why we wear chastity devices so that our parents do not have to monitor us

                                                    Angelina I think you've seen too much harry potter. 🤣

                                                    Why? Magic is magic because it's not limited like technology.

                                                        Angelina I say "magic" to say "Don't get distracted thinking about if it's possible or how it works. Just think about 'What if?'"

                                                        In sci-fi, Arthur C. Clarke wrote "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic", so "Don't worry about how this technology works. That's now what this story is about" is "Clarke tech" in sci-fi.

                                                            Why talk magic here? 🤔
                                                            It will only be confusing for someone who comes to this forum and ends up in this thread.
                                                            Fantasy, sci-fi and magic certainly have their own forums where this fits much better.

                                                              Tobbe I thought it would be a way to save time and not spend several sentences on how I don't want people to get stuck thinking about details that aren't important to the question.

                                                              I was wrong.

                                                                Angelina

                                                                And it would be impossible to monitor us permanently,while a chastity belt can prevent us to touch ourselves permanently easily(and effectively...🙁).

                                                                Tobbe

                                                                Well,some times ago,we had some talks about "The Witcher" license,so,it was already a talk about fantasy...😉

                                                                      Tim Just think about 'What if?'"

                                                                      we do this here very often, but with real possible scenarios not with total fantasy 😂

                                                                      Tobbe

                                                                      i agree, it does not fit in the forum and only confuses new users

                                                                      Laura

                                                                      Thank you, please mark with the appropriate tag 🙂

                                                                      Vanessa And it would be impossible to monitor us permanently

                                                                      i think my father would disagree 😉, but the belt is definitely the easier method

                                                                                Angelina we do this here very often, but with real possible scenarios not with total fantasy 😂

                                                                                People are complicated. When you give an answer in one thread, I try to understand that answer by looking at the motivations which might go into it separately.

                                                                                    Tim

                                                                                    yes that's true, we are discussing many theoretical scenarios here, but we always try to stay close to reality 🙂

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                                                                                        Angelina I'll try to ask my questions in ways which prompt the same information but in the form of more realistic situations.