Church and Chastiy

Max9

Angelina No, I'm just trying to safe your life... keine Ursache... 😉

Angelina

Max9 No, I'm just trying to safe your life... keine Ursache... 😉

the last thing that will save my life will be the catholic church (or any other religion). I always say whoever is religious also believes in Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny. 🙂

Conrad

Kurt

“For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.”

Mk 12:25

A spiritual reason for chastity is to imitate the lives of the angels and saints during this life, and prepare for everlasting life with the angels. It is not necessary to view “no masturbation” as a rule, if you have a spiritual perspective on life, it is obviously a passion of the flesh and an unhelpful habit. A mind that is focused on spiritual matters is granted freedom by conquering the passions of the flesh.

Kurt

Max9 Thanks. I thought your were catholic and now you quote from a Luther Bible? 😂

Conrad Thanks for your answer.

Conrad conquering the passions of the flesh

What are the passions of the flesh? Is cooking complicated meals a passion of the flesh?

Foxies Don't leave the field. We have only to focus on religious reasons for chastity.

Mk 12.31 (...) Have love for your neighbour as for yourself (...) For me the word love can mean so many things... even self-love 😉 😎

Max9

Angelina Just like I always say who doesn't believe in a god believes to win the lottery every time he plays it. How big is the chance that all the elements and atomics did combine themselves in exactly the right way and that the atmospheres of different planets and planet systems did combine just like that the earth can actually exist and that a life and intelligent life on earth can actually exist... the first years of the earth it has just been a toxic planet... The chance for this to exist without the hand of god leading the transformations from the big bang up to today's earth are so small that it's actually impossible.

Foxies

Max9 Just like I always say who doesn't believe in a god believes to win the lottery every time he plays it.

What a curious statement - smiles. As an atheist (and a she lol) I believe my chances of winning the lottery are very very close to zero - assuming I buy a ticket ... which I don't 🤣

I would love to debate religion vs atheism with you however, perhaps a chastity forum isn't really the place. I would suggest however that before you ask others what the odds of various physical and chemical phenomena taking place in the cosmos, that perhaps you should learn what is currently known about such. It is easy to be fooled by a magician - until you understand how the trick is performed. Observation of natural phenomena constantly create conundrums that make us want to believe in the supernatural, yet once the mechanism are understood, the mysteries inevitably disappear. It is probably why most scientists and followers of the scientific method are indeed non-believers in the supernatural.

Jen

Max9 how many billions of stars and worlds and years have there been?

Interesting you compare to lottery - because fact is someone does win.
Well Earth is the place that won

Angelina

Max9

i admit that i am not completely convinced of the big bang theory either, but i don't think anything supernatural was involved, simply put i say it is coincidence 😉

Foxies perhaps a chastity forum isn't really the place

for some, the religion is related to the belt, then it fits again as in this topic. 😉

Max9 In the beginning, there was the Word and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

do you know the saying: "and god said let there be light, but the shit did not burn"? 😉

Max9

Foxies That's true, there are a lot of phenomena we don't or didn't understand and therefore blamed god... like diseases... or thunder. The Teutons / Germans believed that there was a god of thunder sitting on an old oak... a holy chucked it down and god executed for it. I'm not talking about such things and weather phenomena. I'm talking about the incredible inprobability that so many incredible hazards did happen to make the earth a planet where people can live on that it's impossible that God didn't use the big bang and "theory" of evolution as a tool to create today's earth and that all these things were to have happened without his influence. I'm talking about probability, not about the science of phenomena. The creation of earth can be explained with natural sciences, but not the powers behind it.

In the beginning, there was the Word and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
It's like when a teacher uses a calc to write something on a blackboard... scientists say the calc did write the word, religious people say it was the teacher who wrote it. Let's assume God is our teacher and let's understand that crationism and evolution is the same. But you're right, it's maybe the wrong place to discuss that here, just wanted to clarify some misunderstandings ....

Foxies

Max9

While I politely state that I had no misunderstanding of your point (making your clarification unnecessary), this is not the place to debate it. If you would like to suggest a link where we could take this debate, then I would enjoy meeting you there. Until then, I will graciously leave the field of combat 🤣

Max9

Jen like I said - the chances to win the lottery are way bigger than that what happened with the earth.

Max9

Kurt Thanks. I thought you were catholic and now you quote from a Luther Bible?

I am, I'm a post-reformation roman-catholic, not a pre-reformation greek-catholic. We have a bible translation from the Eurpoean Bishop convention that's relatively similar as the original Luther Bible... and I didn't found any other one online to do look up some passages.

Non-religious people somehow remind me of people who stick to the flat earth theory. Just because they can't understand every detail and just because they can't see something they believe it not to be true.

Conrad

Kurt

A passion is is similar to what western people call “vice.” But it has a less moral and more spiritual implications. Virtues are the opposite of passions. Patience is the opposite of anger, for example.

A preoccupation with preparing complicated (or gourmet) meals might be considered a passion of gluttony, it is up to your own conscience, to know if something is excessive or not.

Here’s a definition from an Orthodox priest:

What are passions?
Passions are the uncontrolled desires that come from our bodily needs. They subordinate our soul to our egoistic or self will. They come about because we forget about God and only think of our own needs. The seven passions are: gluttony, lust, avarice, anger, dejection, listlessness and pride. All these passions lead us to sin, but with proper discipline can be offset by virtues.

https://stgeorgegreenville.org/our-faith/catechism/asceticism/passions-and-virtues

Foxies

Kurt Don't leave the field. We have only to focus on religious reasons for chastity.

Dear Kurt. Since I don't believe in any religion then obviously I do not see any religious reasons for chastity. Thus there is little for me to contribute.

Kurt

Max9
Don't take me to seriously. I have a black and dry sense of humor 😈 and I'm subtle (spitzfindig).

Max9 Non-religious people somehow remind me of people who stick to the flat earth theory. Just because they can't understand every detail and just because they can't see something they believe it not to be true.

This can be put to the opposite for religious people. Something they don't know or don't see, must be the working of god. So from this point of view they can be to lazy or to dull to look for the answer. This may sound to harsh, so don't take it to serious and personal. I just want to write in a short sentence in a language that is not my own how things can be seen from differently perspectives.

My "problem" with religion is, that if you don't have contact to god itself you have to believe what other people say about god. So which religion is the right one? Which picture of god drawn by humans is the right one? What way of living is the right one in gods eyes? Is their only one god or more? ... So many questions and for now it is not possible to proof the answers in a scientific way.
Before this gets to long I would like to close my post with a quote from Werner Heisenberg (at least this quote is attributed to him)

„Der erste Trunk aus dem Becher der Naturwissenschaft macht atheistisch; aber auf dem Grund des Bechers wartet Gott.“

https://gutezitate.com/zitat/272427

"The first drink from the cup of natural science makes one atheistic; but at the bottom of the cup God waits."

Foxies

Max9 Non-religious people somehow remind me of people who stick to the flat earth theory. Just because they can't understand every detail and just because they can't see something they believe it not to be true.

Wow - we have such similar views! I would say almost exactly the same myself. Except of course I would word if with merely three letters difference. I would omit the "non" 🤣

Angelina

Max9 Non-religious people somehow remind me of people who stick to the flat earth theory

I feel the same way about religious people. 😉

Foxies Wow - we have such similar views! I would say almost exactly the same myself. Except of course I would word if with merely three letters difference. I would omit the "non" 🤣

hahaha I think 100% exactly like you 🤣 but as far as i remember you are from school medicine, then i can understand why you don't believe in religion

Kurt

Foxies You already contribute in the way I like in the post above to @Max9 😉
I'm a lazy person, so most of the time I wait for your posts. Because you can express my way of thinking in a better english and I like to read your well written posts. 😄

Foxies

Angelina

I did go to medical school - though I doubt this is directly related to my atheism. The fact is I was brought up in a broken family with no interest in religion to start with. When I first began to see religion being taken seriously by some, I had already learned (to my intense disappointment - smiles) that Santa Claus wasn't real. I was thus a bit mystified why some who believed in religion didn't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy - since the evidence seemed about the same.

But before I open a complete can of worms I will just say that by "evidence" I mean testable evidence - where little old me, at ten years old, could actually run a test to verify whether Santa Claus really did deliver my Christmas presents or not. All my attempts at testing religious ideas also failed ... and while I kept an open mind, I never found a positive test result for any religious ideas. - sigh. Nor have I ever been convinced by "evidence" collected by others.

Kurt

Foxies See you did again. Just lovely to read 😊 (Q.E.D.)

Angelina

Foxies I was thus a bit mystified why some who believed in religion didn't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy - since the evidence seemed about the same.

i agree with you 100%, the problem with religions is that these people can't prove that god exists, but i can't prove that god doesn't exist either, it's an endless discussion and i don't want that, for that reason and because i don't want to become like my grandma (even though i like her a lot in general) i am an atheist

Max9 even in the ones that couldn't be proofen,

did @Foxies or i say that we believe in unproven einstein theories ? i for one do not

Max9 So you believe to be smarter than Charles Darwin or Albert Einstein by doubting their statements?

it would be presumptuous not to doubt, only through doubt do we achieve progress. without doubt, even in scientific theories, we would still be in the Middle Ages and the church would still be in power and..... ups there the circle closes 😉

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