Male keyholder

youdontknowme

Nate So basically, not directly under anyone's gaze, but someone was close enough that your chances of getting caught were high enough that the risk was not worth it.

As for how your boyfriend taking over as your main keyholder changed things, I am particularly curious about the non-release unlocks (though I also completely understand if those details are too personal to share). Is it very different with him? I assume there are things that you might do in the shower with a lover that you would not do with a parent or other family member. And does he trust you more to "behave" because you are abstaining from masturbation to make him happy about as much as you are because you are ordered to?

Nate

youdontknowme

Well, not directly under anyone's gaze, but if I started masturbating in the shower, it could be easily seen through the translucent door ...

As for my boyfriend, he also never leaves when my cage is off. However, we usually wash the cage first, and then I go to shower re-locked, so I can give myself a milking. He usually helps me with that.

Max9

True, but I've always been in a cage.

youdontknowme

Yeah, we actually asked my parents for their opinion, because we wanted to make sure that we won't screw anything by going metal or buying a knock-off from China.

Jonas

Hi again 😃 ... my semester was starting this Monday, so I needed quite a lot of time to get through everything.

When the cage arrived, my boyfriend and I immediately went to try the metal cage. It's quite heavy compared to what I originally thought or was in the description, but so far, it has been great. I already managed to go with it on my floorball training, and I noticed two things: the v4 ring is a lot better, I didn't need to lube it afterwards; on the other hand, you need way tighter underwear because of the added weight.

I changed Jake to the new cage today. When we were ordering the cage, he seemed quite happy about it, but now he was absolutely shocked about the weight. Despite that, he's now in the metal one and will have to get used to it (or ask parents, which I doubt will change anything).

Max9

Nate r, and sleeping on your belly is not particularly comfortable

yes, that's true. But this only applies to cages

youdontknowme

Nate
One more question that comes to my mind, I assume the cage swap is coordinated with your parents, and they will not be surprised when they see Jake come home for his release with a shinier cage than he left with last time?

Lukas

markules
To answer your questions as simple as possible:

My parents, my sister, my ex girlfriend and me, as far as I can say.
Depends. If the erection isn't for long it doesn't hurt, but generally speaking, the longer I'm errect, the more it hurts.
I don't know. I didn't buy the cage, I don't want to wear it and I don't have any say in which cage I have to wear.
No, I wouldn't have what you call sufficient control. But that's not up for debate anyway because I don't have an emergency key and even if I had one, I couldn't use it because the lock is sealed and my parents would know that I broke the seal/unlocked.
No
Hell no, I still hate it as much as the first day.
No.

Angelina

Lukas my ex girlfriend

oh, you have separated, I didn't know that, I am very sorry for you 🙁

Lukas because I don't have an emergency key

you should have one, not one that you can always reach (your parents probably don't want that), but one that is maybe like mine in a safe so that you can unlock yourself in case of emergency.

youdontknowme

Jonas I am sure he will share his experiences as soon as he visits the forum again, but knowing what it is like to be a boy with a new toy, I do not blame him for not reporting his first impressions right away.

Angelina

Lukas my ex girlfriend

oh, you have separated, I didn't know that, I am very sorry for you

Sad to hear that indeed. No need to tell, but I wonder what happened. If the cage played a role in it, or if it may have protected you against unwarranted hastiness.

markules

Lukas Hello Lukas, thank you for answering these questions. May I add some additional ones?

In one post you wrote that you called the company that made the seals for your chastity device. Would you mind telling me which company that was? I may want to use seals too.
Which church community are you part of exactly? (If I may ask that)
Do you know anyone else who is in chastity in person? (except your sister)
Are chastity devices common in your church community?
How does it feel to be permanently locked? Would you be able to accept it more if you got releases?
What do you do against the outflow of fluid?
When do your parents remove the device? (e.g. when going to the doctor)
Is your prostate checked regularly?
How would your parents react if they found a vibrator in your possession?
Which lidocaine cream do your parents use? Is it called "Xylocain" by chance?
How do you/your parents call your chastity device?
Thank you!

I am sorry that you and your girlfriend broke up. I know how much that hurts. Of course you do not have to answer the following question, but was it because of the cage or religious reasons? You once wrote that she's from a different community.

Jonas

Any news on your metal HolyTrainers @Nate?

Vanessa

Angelina I am very sorry for you 🙁

Me too...🙁

Angelina you should have one

I agree.

Lukas

Angelina it's not too bad to be honest. I was quite hurt by what she did at first but I more or less got over it.

youdontknowme

Nate Well, not directly under anyone's gaze, but if I started masturbating in the shower, it could be easily seen through the translucent door ...

And the noise would probably attract the attention of anyone in the room and you would not have enough time to finish between glances anyway, even if you do have a reason to have your hands in that general area.

Nate As for my boyfriend, he also never leaves when my cage is off. However, we usually wash the cage first, and then I go to shower re-locked, so I can give myself a milking. He usually helps me with that.

I would have imagined doing the milking first and the cage wash later would be more hygienic. Also, where does the "washing under the cage" take place in that arrangement. Sponge bath or two showers?

I wonder how often you (or Jake for that matter) get to wear pants with no cage. Probably a fairly rare exception for someone locked 24/7 with only cleaning breaks.

Jonas

Nate Hi again 😃 ... my semester was starting this Monday, so I needed quite a lot of time to get through everything.

Don't worry about it,. I'm sorry to be impatient! Am fascinated.

When the cage arrived, my boyfriend and I immediately went to try the metal cage. It's quite heavy compared to what I originally thought or was in the description, but so far, it has been great. I already managed to go with it on my floorball training, and I noticed two things: the v4 ring is a lot better, I didn't need to lube it afterwards; on the other hand, you need way tighter underwear because of the added weight.

Ah, so the tighter underwear solves the weight issue. Right.

Yes, I agree, the ring on the V4 does seem to be a massive improvement. That may help to distribute the weight better too. Cool. Am glad you and your bf like.

I changed Jake to the new cage today. When we were ordering the cage, he seemed
quite happy about it, but now he was absolutely shocked about the weight. Despite that,
he's now in the metal one and will have to get used to it (or ask parents, which I
doubt will change anything).

So have the parents been so convinced by the switch to metal that they wouldn't allow him to go back? Is this because of the increased security of the metal one, or are they trusting your judgement on this? Could there come a point where he could simply refuse to wear?

youdontknowme

Nate Of course, if he wanted to switch back later on, or the metal one caused some problems, it would be no problem.

Ah, so basically just needing to wear it long enough to give it a serious chance. I have to admit, your earlier message

Nate Despite that, he's now in the metal one and will have to get used to it (or ask parents, which I doubt will change anything).

made me also think that the change was final.

Nate Since we're locked 24/7, I have never worn pants with no cage since I got locked. And I suppose neither have Jake. However, we've already gotten used to it.

Ah, I was wondering because I thought I recalled you saying earlier that at least early on, you could get unlocked for sports and the likes, though that was probably over pretty quickly once the cat was out of the bag and you had proven that the cage does not interfere with your game. Plus you mentioned getting unlocked for medical appointments (and I doubt you are waltzing through the waiting room bottomless), but I guess those periods are too short to really count.

I am just asking because I am thinking of applying that criterion for myself once I feel I have conquered any hygiene, sharp edge and pinching issues with my device - if I am released, the cage goes on before the pants go on. Because if we count hygiene and authorized relief as the principal reasons for unlocking, there is no reason to be unlocked under clothes - except when you are on the way towards a medical appointment (where the cage might get in the way of a procedure or diagnosis) or a nude spa (where the cage would brand you as a sexual deviant) or something.

Nate

youdontknowme

Yeah, you're right. About the cleaning, it's not always the same. Also, since I'm circumcised, it's fairly easy to wash even when inside the cage.

Since we're locked 24/7, I have never worn pants with no cage since I got locked. And I suppose neither have Jake. However, we've already gotten used to it.

Jonas

It's not about parents being convinced or not; it was our decision to switch to metal. However, they would be angry if Jake didn't even try the metal cage because we wanted it they paid for it. Of course, if he wanted to switch back later on, or the metal one caused some problems, it would be no problem.

markules

Nate Hey Nate:

Why did you choose the metal cage voluntarily?
Can you pull out of the cage? I might have asked this before. I ask because I have the HT V4 too (nub and small size) and I can pull out with both (even with the smallest ring possible)
If you can, what prevents you from doing so?
Do you have an idea to make my chastity device(s) more secure?
What is a typical joke your friends make?
Do you wake up at night because of erections?

Thanks and stay healthy!

@youdontknowme Who keeps you locked?/Who is your keyholder?

Lukas

markules

The name of the company is Alma Seals
Menonites.
Not that I actually know of, no.
I don't really know. Maybe yes, maybe no. They are popular enough I think because my dad once got a seal from another parent in our community when they had none left for my cage
Maybe I would be able to accept it a little bit more, yes. The best solution would be to not be locked at all.
Wearing pads, doing several methods to provoke an ejaculation I found on the Internet
Once a week for me to shower
Yes, we have a doctor in our community who knows about chastity devices and I go there for regulär examination. My sister goes to a gynecologist somewhere else regularly but she gets unlocked before going there.
. I don't know, probably kick me out and cut all family ties.
It's called Lidogalen
Either by it's name or masturbation preventer.

We broke up because after being with me for years she decided that it wasn't enough that I licked or fingered her everytime she wanted me to so she decided to fuck another guy. After I found out, I broke up with her.

youdontknowme

markules I am self-locked, which is why I am making up my own rules in the first place.
Any update on your situation?

markules

youdontknowme There is very little I have to report. I wear the cage more often in order to get used to it. Right now I found a trick to increase the security of a non-metal dilator: I heated the ending of the tube which contains the metal ending. The silicone then constricts due to the heat. After that it's way more difficult to pull out the tube. Of course that end must have a screw thread which it molds into. Now I feel safe wearing it 😀

I have ordered a new cage, a much smaller one with a metal dilator, but very unfortunately I can pull out of that one too.
What do you think of this solution: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001436088615.html
I can pull out the 45mm ring, but the 40mm ring disturbs the blood flow. I haven't found a good cage with a 43mm ring yet 🙁

I'll need to extend the dilator so I cannot pull out.
Pertaining my father we agreed that I can take as long as I need and then put the key into an envelope and write the date when I want to have it back. Also, I showed him my light green box where I keep my vibrator and the keys for my cages.
In an emergency one parent should know where the keys are.
I proposed today that I should get a 3D-printed ring, he agreed. So I'll need to learn blender 😂

markules

markules Correction: This heat trick also works when there is no screw thread. Even on flat metal surfaces. I am so happy that I have a longer dilator now 😀

youdontknowme

markules youdontknowme There is very little I have to report.

Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to reply to your status update. It does not matter too much that little has changed, I am curious about anything you might have to report. Not only is your story interesting because I kinda find you relatable, trying to cut down on habitual masturbation without giving up sexual pleasure alltogether, it also forms a counterpoint to the experiences of many other people here. A lot of people around here have some kind of mixed relation with their keyholder - they love them as family members, but they do not love the fact that they hold the keys. The devices are often forced upon the wearer against their will, and some of the demands of the keyholder regarding behavior stretch the definition of reasonable expectations. You are different. Not only do you trust the person who might become your keyholder completely, they are planning to hold the keys without any personal interest, just as a dependable and helpful person. You can be very glad for what you have.

I mean, the same applies to Jonas, but there is still the key difference that Jonas's keyholder is his spouse, so the chastity is an extension of their intimacy as a couple, in a way, whereas while you no doubt have a close and loving relationship with your father, the chastity device is the only part of that relationship which concerns your sexuality.

markules

Lukas Hello Lukas, thank you very much for your quick answer

markules

Lukas

Would you mind telling me which product exactly you use? They have different seals and I am not sure which to use for a chastity device?
Would you ever consider prostate milking if you knew your parents would not find out? (I hope I do not go too far with that questions?
Which tips can you give me for my chastity journey?
Which lubricant do you use?

Thanks again and stay healthy

Angelina

Lukas We broke up because after being with me for years she decided that it wasn't enough that I licked or fingered her everytime she wanted me to so she decided to fuck another guy. After I found out, I broke up with her.

this is very hard for me to bear. i can understand that it was not an easy situation, but cheating on you is absolutely unacceptable. she should have talked to you beforehand and said that it was not enough for her. 🙁

what is the current situation with your sister? she had her first orgasm if i remember correctly because she doesn't have to wear the belt at school (she is a bit younger than you right?) has something changed with her?

youdontknowme

Lukas We broke up because after being with me for years she decided that it wasn't enough that I licked or fingered her everytime she wanted me to so she decided to fuck another guy. After I found out, I broke up with her.

It is not my place to pass judgment on her, that is your prerogative alone, but as for how your cage relates to this, it might have been the reason you could not fulfill her sexual interests, but it has also helped you reveal her as a person who would go behind her significant other's back to get her sexual fix (which, even without the cage, might have happened at a different point in time), and it probably also protected you from engaging in any activities that would have forced you to stay a couple regardless, be it if you had a child from unprotected sex or if you had been caught taking each other's virginity and being forced into a "shotgun wedding" of sorts. As much as the cage gets in the way of your life, in this case it might have helped you dodge a bullet, so there is at least one upside to wearing it.

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