Jonas I am sure he will share his experiences as soon as he visits the forum again, but knowing what it is like to be a boy with a new toy, I do not blame him for not reporting his first impressions right away.
Sad to hear that indeed. No need to tell, but I wonder what happened. If the cage played a role in it, or if it may have protected you against unwarranted hastiness.
Well, not directly under anyone's gaze, but if I started masturbating in the shower, it could be easily seen through the translucent door ...
As for my boyfriend, he also never leaves when my cage is off. However, we usually wash the cage first, and then I go to shower re-locked, so I can give myself a milking. He usually helps me with that.
True, but I've always been in a cage.
Yeah, we actually asked my parents for their opinion, because we wanted to make sure that we won't screw anything by going metal or buying a knock-off from China.
Hi again 
... my semester was starting this Monday, so I needed quite a lot of time to get through everything.
When the cage arrived, my boyfriend and I immediately went to try the metal cage. It's quite heavy compared to what I originally thought or was in the description, but so far, it has been great. I already managed to go with it on my floorball training, and I noticed two things: the v4 ring is a lot better, I didn't need to lube it afterwards; on the other hand, you need way tighter underwear because of the added weight.
I changed Jake to the new cage today. When we were ordering the cage, he seemed quite happy about it, but now he was absolutely shocked about the weight. Despite that, he's now in the metal one and will have to get used to it (or ask parents, which I doubt will change anything).
Nate Well, not directly under anyone's gaze, but if I started masturbating in the shower, it could be easily seen through the translucent door ...
And the noise would probably attract the attention of anyone in the room and you would not have enough time to finish between glances anyway, even if you do have a reason to have your hands in that general area.
Nate As for my boyfriend, he also never leaves when my cage is off. However, we usually wash the cage first, and then I go to shower re-locked, so I can give myself a milking. He usually helps me with that.
I would have imagined doing the milking first and the cage wash later would be more hygienic. Also, where does the "washing under the cage" take place in that arrangement. Sponge bath or two showers?
I wonder how often you (or Jake for that matter) get to wear pants with no cage. Probably a fairly rare exception for someone locked 24/7 with only cleaning breaks.
Nate Hi again
Don't worry about it,. I'm sorry to be impatient! Am fascinated.
When the cage arrived, my boyfriend and I immediately went to try the metal cage. It's quite heavy compared to what I originally thought or was in the description, but so far, it has been great. I already managed to go with it on my floorball training, and I noticed two things: the v4 ring is a lot better, I didn't need to lube it afterwards; on the other hand, you need way tighter underwear because of the added weight.
Ah, so the tighter underwear solves the weight issue. Right.
Yes, I agree, the ring on the V4 does seem to be a massive improvement. That may help to distribute the weight better too. Cool. Am glad you and your bf like.
I changed Jake to the new cage today. When we were ordering the cage, he seemed
quite happy about it, but now he was absolutely shocked about the weight. Despite that,
he's now in the metal one and will have to get used to it (or ask parents, which I
doubt will change anything).
So have the parents been so convinced by the switch to metal that they wouldn't allow him to go back? Is this because of the increased security of the metal one, or are they trusting your judgement on this? Could there come a point where he could simply refuse to wear?
Yeah, you're right. About the cleaning, it's not always the same. Also, since I'm circumcised, it's fairly easy to wash even when inside the cage.
Since we're locked 24/7, I have never worn pants with no cage since I got locked. And I suppose neither have Jake. However, we've already gotten used to it.
It's not about parents being convinced or not; it was our decision to switch to metal. However, they would be angry if Jake didn't even try the metal cage because we wanted it they paid for it. Of course, if he wanted to switch back later on, or the metal one caused some problems, it would be no problem.
Nate Of course, if he wanted to switch back later on, or the metal one caused some problems, it would be no problem.
Ah, so basically just needing to wear it long enough to give it a serious chance. I have to admit, your earlier message
Nate Despite that, he's now in the metal one and will have to get used to it (or ask parents, which I doubt will change anything).
made me also think that the change was final.
Nate Since we're locked 24/7, I have never worn pants with no cage since I got locked. And I suppose neither have Jake. However, we've already gotten used to it.
Ah, I was wondering because I thought I recalled you saying earlier that at least early on, you could get unlocked for sports and the likes, though that was probably over pretty quickly once the cat was out of the bag and you had proven that the cage does not interfere with your game. Plus you mentioned getting unlocked for medical appointments (and I doubt you are waltzing through the waiting room bottomless), but I guess those periods are too short to really count.
I am just asking because I am thinking of applying that criterion for myself once I feel I have conquered any hygiene, sharp edge and pinching issues with my device - if I am released, the cage goes on before the pants go on. Because if we count hygiene and authorized relief as the principal reasons for unlocking, there is no reason to be unlocked under clothes - except when you are on the way towards a medical appointment (where the cage might get in the way of a procedure or diagnosis) or a nude spa (where the cage would brand you as a sexual deviant) or something.
Lukas Hello Lukas, thank you for answering these questions. May I add some additional ones?
I am sorry that you and your girlfriend broke up. I know how much that hurts. Of course you do not have to answer the following question, but was it because of the cage or religious reasons? You once wrote that she's from a different community.
Nate Hey Nate:
Thanks and stay healthy!
@youdontknowme Who keeps you locked?/Who is your keyholder?
markules I am self-locked, which is why I am making up my own rules in the first place.
Any update on your situation?
youdontknowme There is very little I have to report. I wear the cage more often in order to get used to it. Right now I found a trick to increase the security of a non-metal dilator: I heated the ending of the tube which contains the metal ending. The silicone then constricts due to the heat. After that it's way more difficult to pull out the tube. Of course that end must have a screw thread which it molds into. Now I feel safe wearing it 
I have ordered a new cage, a much smaller one with a metal dilator, but very unfortunately I can pull out of that one too.
What do you think of this solution: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001436088615.html
I can pull out the 45mm ring, but the 40mm ring disturbs the blood flow. I haven't found a good cage with a 43mm ring yet 
I'll need to extend the dilator so I cannot pull out.
Pertaining my father we agreed that I can take as long as I need and then put the key into an envelope and write the date when I want to have it back. Also, I showed him my light green box where I keep my vibrator and the keys for my cages.
In an emergency one parent should know where the keys are.
I proposed today that I should get a 3D-printed ring, he agreed. So I'll need to learn blender 
We broke up because after being with me for years she decided that it wasn't enough that I licked or fingered her everytime she wanted me to so she decided to fuck another guy. After I found out, I broke up with her.
Thanks again and stay healthy
Hey @Lukas!
I understand that you hate chastity, I would hate it too if I was in your situation. In my case I feel comfortable wearing a chastity device, it makes me masturbate less, I am happier and also I believe I have more testosterone as my testicles are constantly stimulated. I have an enormous amount of trust to my parents. They would never abuse their power. I trust them that they will be very discreet and give me all the time I need.
I perfectly understand that you give me the tip "Don't do it", but I have decided to try it and to cut down on masturbation. It takes a lot of time and it does nothing for me
markules Yeah, I feel like trust is perhaps the most important thing in a wearer/keyholder relationship when it comes to the wearer's acceptance. If the chastity measures are enacted without the wearer's consent, not only is that legally and morally quite questionable, it is completely understandable why the wearer would resent their device, and how insisting the device might strain the relationship. Of course that does not extend to releasing the wearer whenever they feel like it, but the chaste-keeping must happen in boundaries agreed upon before the lock gets shut, in a state where the wearer's mind is not compromised by arousal or intimidation alike. Of course incentives, both positive and negative, are allowed from the keyholder's side, but especially in the case of negative incentives ("if you refuse, X will happen"), the boundary between guidance and intimidation can be a tricky one.
Obviously a chastity relationship that was never based on real, agreed-upon consent in the first place, like in Lukas's case where the parents just decided that there would be no self-pleasure under their roof, is unlikely to result in a happy wearer. Nate got lucky that, while it started forced, it seems to have developed into an arrangement he could agree with.
As for myself, the persons I trust are all people I would rather not in my sex life, so I stay my own keyholder for now. Still, I feel like there is some sort of internal keyholder relationship because my conscious, intellectual self is trying to keep penis access away from my more primal, horny self. Not so much of an interpersonal relationship though, which skips those trust negotiations.
markules It takes a lot of time and it does nothing for me
Does it really save you time? Because from my experience, not being able to get off just makes the arousal (and its corresponding distraction) last longer.
youdontknowme l, I feel like there is some sort of internal keyholder relationship because my conscious, intellectual self is trying to keep penis access away from my more primal, horny self.
Yeah, I kinda understand this. It's interesting to split into three and watch the other two duke it out. Horny-self is at an intellectual disadvantage, but has a much deeper connection to the body. Like water he moves to find any weakness in all plans to contain him.
