Taz Chains are a problem

Why not use stainless steel ropes? It strength has to be high enough that you can't pull it apart. To withstand tools is another class. A rope doesn't rattle. It's job would be to prevent to get it off.
To hold the bands in place elastic bands in front and back would do it. They do not have to prevent the bands from being removed. They would expand and shorten when you sit down. I suppose if it the same type as on garter belts you will not feel much if you sit on them.

Taz No that doesn't work the profile is much smoother but not overall lower. I used the small 4 pin cam locks in an experimental version. Looks better, smoother when the thighbands are not there but no D-ring on the side so nowhere to anchor a handcuff if required. When the thighbands are locked on the lock is about 20mm high and round so still quite bulky.

As far as I see all women who wears thigh bands wear skirts during this time or be at home. To get the thigh bands on and off would following idea work?
The connection to the CB to hold the thigh band could have an end-device which could only fit in an opening at the waist band from top. At the thigh band would be a look where the cable is connected and hold the band in place. Also it prevent that you move the cable up to get it out of the opening in the waist band.
The fastening system can turn out relatively flat in opposition to a lock. The lock on the thigh bands is hidden by the skirts during the day and at night it does not matter how thick it looks.

To get the thigh bands off you open the lock at the thigh bands remove them and push up the connection cable out of the belt.

        Taz I guess a plate over the waist band with a couple of threaded holes, attached by c/s screws from the inside. The hinge could be part of the plate or clamped by the screws.

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            Joh Yes that will work quite well but then you get the problem of needing a lock on the thighbands themselves further complicating that design. Tollyboy are just plain bands you step into them and pull them up then lock to the waistband. Result simpler bands but a bulkier attachment to the waistband. It is certainly something I need to consider.

            • Joh replied to this.

                Thighbands is a crutch. You don't need them with properly fitted belt.

                  Taz Result simpler bands but a bulkier attachment to the waistband

                  Exactly. If you move the lock from the waist band to the thigh bands it is unlikely to guess it because of the skirt. A bulky part on the waist band is more likely to tell you that something is wrong.

                    Joh Stainless steel cable is good and for the force involved you would only need about 1.5mm diameter there is a possible problem. Chain is almost infinitely flexible cable has a minimum bend radius before you start cracking strands in it. It is possible that a sharp pull though the D-rings if the wearer tripped for example might bend it too sharply and crack a strand. These strands are as sharp as needles and cut like a razor. I have the scars to prove it. Whatever connector you put on the end would have to fully enclose the end of the cable not just loop it back and put a crimp on it with the end protruding. It is a good plan and I have built a belt like it in the past but it needs more work it isn't just a drop in replacement. I used very low profile connectors with the cable silver soldered into them where the annealed portion of the cable from the soldering met the non heat affected cable some of the strands cracked with time and flexing.

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                        Angelina True but I guess your keyholder is not going to remove the "additional fixation" so finding a better design is probably the best you can hope for.

                            Renita

                            Renita Thighbands is a crutch. You don't need them with properly fitted belt.

                            Perhaps true. I have just tried them as an experiment, but if people are being forced to wear them it is worthwhile trying to improve them.

                                Tonyand03 How about screws from the outside with the heads covered by a single use plastic seal. Don't have to open the waistband and should still be secure.

                                    Taz I would use cable with PE, PU or PTFE jackets.
                                    Soldering is a problem with cables. The flexibility is lost in this area. I would crimp a metal tube, with a thread at it end, on the cable. After fitting the cable trough the waist band screw a metal loop on the end of the cable which need e.g 5 turns. I suppose this is sufficient to get it not off if locked to the thigh band.

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                                        Joh There are some interesting adhesives that friends are using to build cable based jewellery that might be worth a look. Crimps are good but I was chasing a low profile connector on the thighbands only 3mm high which is why I had to resort to soldering.

                                        • Joh replied to this.

                                            Taz
                                            I understand.
                                            Nevertheless I think you have to compromise. As I sad the think at the thigh bands lager design would be more acceptable than on the waist band.

                                              Taz That would work (and/or a screw with an oddball head) but screws from the outside would require bulk on the inside of the belt to accommodate the thread.

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                                                  Tonyand03 It would but not a lot if you use on of the special fine pitch model engineering threads. For example 1/4 x 40TPI If you fitted a block on the inside of the belt 1.5mm thick (same as the lining so could cut though that and be flush) would have 5 turns to screw in and come flush, could have the block protrude slightly outside the waistband and pick up even more thread. I think there are even 60 TPI threads you could use for this so needing even less thickness.

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                                                      Taz Had you a look at Metric threads? They come in standard with finer pitch. E.g. M3 x 0.5mm. compared with1/8' x 0.635mm
                                                      Available is also fine pitch (Feingewinde) e.g. M3 X 0.35mm

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                                                          Joh Yes there are some very nice metric the only reason I was thinking of ME was you can get some much bigger bolts with very fine pitches. 1/4 x 40 TPI is finer then 6mm x 0.75 but Metric security screws are available as standard and ME certainly won't be.

                                                            Taz

                                                            I can't add much,the main problems have already been said,and often by users wearing these a lot,while I only have to wear these part-time...

                                                            Ines About security, I disagree with you, they are very useful.

                                                            Yes...🙁

                                                            Joh

                                                            Good idea.

                                                            Taz it is possible to manoeuvre a band below the knee

                                                            Possible,but far from easy,I think.

                                                            Foxies with neoprene

                                                            Silicone,for My-Steel.Not sure for NeoSteel,however.

                                                            Taz Ok so rattling chains and sharp bulky locks seem to be some of the first problems I should be thinking about.

                                                            I agree.

                                                            Taz we don't want that

                                                            Not sure for the wearers!; )

                                                            Taz may have to look more at this.

                                                            It can,at least,be a start to think about.

                                                            Angelina if i don't want to be noticed in public i have to encase the chains in rubber, something could be done about that

                                                            As I only wear these at home,it don't impact me much,but yes,its would be good if these make less noise.

                                                            Taz when bending or sitting the front support gets shorter, the rear support gets longer but I guess not by the same amount.

                                                            Which could be very uncomfortable.

                                                            Joh o withstand tools is another class.

                                                            But if cut,it would be noticed immediately.

                                                            Joh As far as I see all women who wears thigh bands wear skirts during this time or be at home. To get the thigh bands on and off would following idea work?
                                                            The connection to the CB to hold the thigh band could have an end-device which could only fit in an opening at the waist band from top. At the thigh band would be a look where the cable is connected and hold the band in place. Also it prevent that you move the cable up to get it out of the opening in the waist band.
                                                            The fastening system can turn out relatively flat in opposition to a lock. The lock on the thigh bands is hidden by the skirts during the day and at night it does not matter how thick it looks.

                                                            To get the thigh bands off you open the lock at the thigh bands remove them and push up the connection cable out of the belt.

                                                            Seems a good idea.

                                                                                    This is Foxies partner Angela.

                                                                                    Until a year ago (when a house fire destroyed my 3D printer) I was designing and partly building a chastity belt for Foxies with the plan using a plastic covered steel cable for the waist belt. I hadn't worked on the thigh bands design though I had planned on using the same cables to run down her sides from attachments on the waist cable down to two simple plastic hoops printed to fit her mid thighs. They would not need locks and she would slip her feet in them and pull them up where they would snug on her thighs at the mid-thigh position and then I would lock the belt on her. There would be a simple steel cable that attach to 3D printed D rings (possibly by locks) - though I never made an actual design.

                                                                                    The plan was to have her wear the thigh bands whenever that belt was locked on, but at my discretion I would lock her thighs together or leave them unlocked as I wanted. They would of course be removed every night in the shower along with the belt for cleaning.

                                                                                    It always seemed that steel cables attached to the belt at her sides would obviate the need for uncomfortable locks and noisy (and uncomfortable chains). Sadly this project is on hold until I get a new printer and we move back into our home.

                                                                                    Okay so it seems the design criteria are basically.
                                                                                    1). No rattles
                                                                                    2). No metallic sounds if the bands or D-rings knock together
                                                                                    3). Smooth low profile connection to the waistband
                                                                                    4). Bands to fit actual body shape
                                                                                    5). Bands to sit horizontal
                                                                                    6). No bulky padlocks or at least not where they may get in the way or be seen
                                                                                    7). No need for a centre connection from bands to bottom of crotch guard unless used specifically to close the legs when sitting
                                                                                    8). Thighbands to ride at a constant height not to move up and down with sitting / standing

                                                                                    Have I missed anything?

                                                                                      Taz True but I guess your keyholder is not going to remove the "additional fixation" so finding a better design is probably the best you can hope for.

                                                                                      currently yes, but according to current planning i will still spend about 2 years with the bands, i don't think that significantly better models will be on the market by then.

                                                                                      Taz

                                                                                      i will never be a fan of the thighbands, but with these ideas it sounds at least a little more pleasant 🙂