Taz

as an involuntary wearer i have to say that i find them just awful, but i'll try to shed some light on a neutral aspect and that is the noise level, if i don't want to be noticed in public i have to encase the chains in rubber, something could be done about that

Taz From there it is possible to get your leg out of it.

If you connect the chain to the belt (D-ring in the crotch), this is not possible.

    Taz In an ideal world I'd try to support the bands front and back, but it'd need some serious lateral thinking to avoid all those locks! Good luck with the brainstorming!!

      Angelina Chains are a problem but also easy which is why I guess they are used by almost everyone. I am away from home at the moment and don't have chain to experiment with but have some ideas on how to stop it rattling. When I can I will try them and see how practical they are. Ultimately the chain needs replacing but then there are problems of connecting and adjusting it.

      I can see another advantage (disadvantage) of partly supporting the thighbands from the D-ring at the bottom of the guard. As this is not in line with the centre of hips when bending forward or sitting down it will pull the connecting chains between the thighbands pulling the legs together. Good if this is what you wish to achieve but I guess this support chain gets a lot of urine on it when using the toilet and is hard to clean? If that is the case another design problem that needs fixing.

        Jonas Front and back support would look nice when standing but when bending or sitting the front support gets shorter, the rear support gets longer but I guess not by the same amount. Will have to take a whole lot of measurements and think about it. Also whatever is supporting the back of it will get sat on so have to think about that too.

          Taz but I guess this support chain gets a lot of urine on it when using the toilet and is hard to clean? If that is the case another design problem that needs fixing.

          indeed, i always pee against the chain and have to clean it afterwards, but the problem would be easy to solve if i didn't have to wear this "additional fixation". 😂

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            Jonas In an ideal world I'd try to support the bands front and back,

            Nooooo! 😂
            OMG, if you bend, or you go to bed... It has to be no practical at all.

            Taz Chains are a problem

            Why not use stainless steel ropes? It strength has to be high enough that you can't pull it apart. To withstand tools is another class. A rope doesn't rattle. It's job would be to prevent to get it off.
            To hold the bands in place elastic bands in front and back would do it. They do not have to prevent the bands from being removed. They would expand and shorten when you sit down. I suppose if it the same type as on garter belts you will not feel much if you sit on them.

            Taz No that doesn't work the profile is much smoother but not overall lower. I used the small 4 pin cam locks in an experimental version. Looks better, smoother when the thighbands are not there but no D-ring on the side so nowhere to anchor a handcuff if required. When the thighbands are locked on the lock is about 20mm high and round so still quite bulky.

            As far as I see all women who wears thigh bands wear skirts during this time or be at home. To get the thigh bands on and off would following idea work?
            The connection to the CB to hold the thigh band could have an end-device which could only fit in an opening at the waist band from top. At the thigh band would be a look where the cable is connected and hold the band in place. Also it prevent that you move the cable up to get it out of the opening in the waist band.
            The fastening system can turn out relatively flat in opposition to a lock. The lock on the thigh bands is hidden by the skirts during the day and at night it does not matter how thick it looks.

            To get the thigh bands off you open the lock at the thigh bands remove them and push up the connection cable out of the belt.

              Taz I guess a plate over the waist band with a couple of threaded holes, attached by c/s screws from the inside. The hinge could be part of the plate or clamped by the screws.

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                Joh Yes that will work quite well but then you get the problem of needing a lock on the thighbands themselves further complicating that design. Tollyboy are just plain bands you step into them and pull them up then lock to the waistband. Result simpler bands but a bulkier attachment to the waistband. It is certainly something I need to consider.

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                  Thighbands is a crutch. You don't need them with properly fitted belt.

                    Taz Result simpler bands but a bulkier attachment to the waistband

                    Exactly. If you move the lock from the waist band to the thigh bands it is unlikely to guess it because of the skirt. A bulky part on the waist band is more likely to tell you that something is wrong.

                    Joh Stainless steel cable is good and for the force involved you would only need about 1.5mm diameter there is a possible problem. Chain is almost infinitely flexible cable has a minimum bend radius before you start cracking strands in it. It is possible that a sharp pull though the D-rings if the wearer tripped for example might bend it too sharply and crack a strand. These strands are as sharp as needles and cut like a razor. I have the scars to prove it. Whatever connector you put on the end would have to fully enclose the end of the cable not just loop it back and put a crimp on it with the end protruding. It is a good plan and I have built a belt like it in the past but it needs more work it isn't just a drop in replacement. I used very low profile connectors with the cable silver soldered into them where the annealed portion of the cable from the soldering met the non heat affected cable some of the strands cracked with time and flexing.

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                      Angelina True but I guess your keyholder is not going to remove the "additional fixation" so finding a better design is probably the best you can hope for.

                        Renita

                        Renita Thighbands is a crutch. You don't need them with properly fitted belt.

                        Perhaps true. I have just tried them as an experiment, but if people are being forced to wear them it is worthwhile trying to improve them.

                        Tonyand03 How about screws from the outside with the heads covered by a single use plastic seal. Don't have to open the waistband and should still be secure.

                          Taz I would use cable with PE, PU or PTFE jackets.
                          Soldering is a problem with cables. The flexibility is lost in this area. I would crimp a metal tube, with a thread at it end, on the cable. After fitting the cable trough the waist band screw a metal loop on the end of the cable which need e.g 5 turns. I suppose this is sufficient to get it not off if locked to the thigh band.

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                            Joh There are some interesting adhesives that friends are using to build cable based jewellery that might be worth a look. Crimps are good but I was chasing a low profile connector on the thighbands only 3mm high which is why I had to resort to soldering.

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                              Taz
                              I understand.
                              Nevertheless I think you have to compromise. As I sad the think at the thigh bands lager design would be more acceptable than on the waist band.

                              Taz That would work (and/or a screw with an oddball head) but screws from the outside would require bulk on the inside of the belt to accommodate the thread.

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                                Tonyand03 It would but not a lot if you use on of the special fine pitch model engineering threads. For example 1/4 x 40TPI If you fitted a block on the inside of the belt 1.5mm thick (same as the lining so could cut though that and be flush) would have 5 turns to screw in and come flush, could have the block protrude slightly outside the waistband and pick up even more thread. I think there are even 60 TPI threads you could use for this so needing even less thickness.

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