Chastity belt law

Angelina I've thought about it again and try to formulate something simple.

Husbands have the right to demand that the wife wears a chastity belt, the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful.

Parents can apply to the court for the daughter to wear a chastity belt, but they have to justify it well and have it approved by a judge, and there is also supervision by an official authority that checks that the parents are not abusing the power

what do you think of it and do you have any ideas how to make it more concrete?

Thinking out loud, because this makes me genuinely curious: a law like this assumes the gender is a clear and specific thing. Women are treated one way in this law, men are treated another. What is the role of trans people here? Does the law consider me to still be male for this purpose? Would I automatically be given belting rights over Goody? Or would I have any rights at all? If the law treats me as female at the point of transition, does my chastity become the property of someone else? Would I go, overnight, from having control of myself to my mother or some relative having authority to enforce my belting? (Haha, there’s a paradoxical image: a potential key holder going to court to enforce a man being belted BECAUSE he wants to transition!) And would that mean that with Goody’s family being my only real living family, my keys would pass to them and I have no real choice in the matter?

Genuinely fascinating thoughts. I’m finding the exercise surprisingly enjoyable.

Angelina Husbands have the right to demand that the wife wears a chastity belt, the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful.

Parents can apply to the court for the daughter to wear a chastity belt, but they have to justify it well and have it approved by a judge, and there is also supervision by an official authority that checks that the parents are not abusing the power

what do you think of it and do you have any ideas how to make it more concrete?

There’s a thing in the USA that this reminds me of, which never really went anywhere: “covenant marriage,” which is like super-sized marriage. The contract from the start says you give up the right to no-fault divorce, and divorce is much harder. It was a reaction to the perception that American divorce was too easy to get, and created a special form of religious-type marriage you could opt into.

The scenario presupposes a basic thing; that women’s access to themselves is secondary, and that the right to belt women supersedes their personal autonomy. I honestly feel like this would be a deal-breaker for many nations, but not all of them, and I can name a dozen US states that would adopt your plan right now.

Every time I think about mass chastity, I think about what I call the “Doc B Test.” Named for my friend Dr. Billingsley (not her real name), who is the least likely person to wear chastity that I’ve ever met. She enjoys sex a lot, primarily with women, and has no problem whatsoever with masturbating when she pleases. (She would have great fun with Rafael’s statement that masturbation is one of the most socially objectionable things a respectable woman can do.) She is relatively young, single, has no intention of ever getting married, and has moderately conservative parents.

On paper, she seems like an ideal candidate to wear the belt in this hypothetical world. Sexually libertine, unlikely to settle down, with parents who disapprove of all this and could petition to get her locked. But she’s not just her gender or her sex life. She’s a brilliant neuroscientist whose work has been cited in papers in multiple languages. She’s a highly regarded college professor on tenure track, whose students love her. It sounds almost insane to think of locking up someone like her because her parents disapprove of her sex life. But I’d bet in a government-sponsored chastity scenario, it would be authorized to lock her up against her will. And I don’t like the idea of that at all.

(As a side note: for at least some people who would support such a law, keeping Dr. B under control would be the POINT. In their minds, her PhD studies took a spot that a man deserved, and her dedication to her work is denying some man a good housewife. I’m not saying anyone here feels this way, but in America, MANY would.)

This almost wants me to create a new kind of angle to examine these topics, “Chastity Law Case Studies.” “Sally W. is an unwed college grad student who has has two abortions and no intention of giving up sex. Her parents have petitioned to have her belted until marriage. She objects. What does the Unwed Chastity jury decide?”

Feels like too much work, but maybe later!

Saintprudence

Well, darn it, now I have to do it. Captain @Laura! Request permission to create just-fun-fun “Chastity Belt Judge and Jury” thread!

Saintprudence Request permission to create just-fun-fun “Chastity Belt Judge and Jury” thread!

Why do you need my permission?

Laura because I try to take this place seriously and keep made-up weirdness to a minimum. So I’m inclined to ask I’m advance before starting a thread of made-up weirdness!

Rina I doubt whether they would recognize people like us in accordance to our gender identity.

Indeed, in this scenario they’d almost certainly use birth-certificate rules, which would lead to transmen with beards and burly bodies being brought to court to be belted as “women.”

Rina And in such draconian situation like that I feel like "marriage for convenience" would soar up at the point everyone get married right after they hit 18 with thier friends, or anyone willing to get paid for "helping girl to be free of chastity belt"

The scary thing there is that any woman who marries for convenience and belt freedom must be VERY sure that the man she marries can be trusted, since great power over her is being placed in his hands.

Owl f the general public's first introduction to chastity devices would be something like "ah that's what criminals wear" ...

Yes criminals and 50 shades of gray people get all the attention.

Angelina the wife has to accept this if the husband has informed her before the marriage. he can sue later in court if the wife does not fulfill her marital obligations or is unfaithful

This part fascinated me. What do you mean by suing in court? And what would happen if she “did not fulfill her marital obligations”? Is this grounds for divorce, or are you proposing it is grounds for belting?

Saintprudence Honestly, with how feminist post-secondary schools tend to be (unless it is a catholic institute or something), I could only imagine chastity belts being offered to women on a voluntary basis, if at all. Maybe male chastity has a better chance, as an admission requirement for certain courses of study or as a mandatory part of some class.

Maybe in some places it might also be required that women with penises put the offending item out of commission before being granted access to safe spaces, but outside of Britain, where TERF ideology has way too much traction, I can only see that happening in response to an incident

Saintprudence

I attended an institute that belonged to the Catholic Church but it wasn't radical at all, and in fact I already told you here that the teachers turned a blind eye to the "arrangements" that the girls made with the length of the skirt if we were not too exaggerated.
A middle-aged teacher who had been a student there told us that in her time, in the 1980s, they did it too. I remember this so you can see that I was not in a convent.

When I went to college I was shocked by the behavior of some girls. I do not live in a cave away from the world, but there were behaviors that were degrading.

With chastity belts for girls on campus that would not happen.

What actually probably would work is an opt-in situation. Kind of like how homeowners associations in the USA have great power to control individual homes, because everyone signed a contract that said they accepted these rules. A planned community where everyone coming into the community knows and accepts the rules could be workable.

Of course, that would require getting hundreds of belt-wearers and keyholders to live in the same place, and that’s probably the least realistic part of all!

Saintprudence Of course, that would require getting hundreds of belt-wearers and keyholders to live in the same place, and that’s probably the least realistic part of all!

Lol that is nearly the most likely one. What I've heard of those HOAs in America are crazy. Setup a community where all single women are expected to be belted. It's only couples and families at first, but then someone's kid turns 18 and there's a problem. Sure you can't force someone to wear a belt - but you better belt up or move out or we'll take your parents house.

Jen Sure you can't force someone to wear a belt - but you better belt up or move out or we'll take your parents house.

Given that HOAs in America are run by intensely conservative and conformist people who will literally kick someone out of their home over a treehouse, this is alarmingly plausible!

New plan: everyone pitch in $50,000, and Goody and I will establish Chastity Colony One on some nice unsettled part of America! One-belt minimum per household required and keyholders need to be vetted, haha.

Addendum: A serious community chastity law would have to address gender in some way; there are those who believe chastity is for women only and I can sympathize with that position, but it’s not exactly workable. I would propose that such a law have the following parameters for all residents of Chastity Colony Alpha:

• unmarried adults are subject to the belt at the behest of their authority figures, in the hierarchy determined elsewhere.

• Anyone living alone must be under authority.

• In married couples, any gender arrangement is acceptable. However, one member of the marriage must be designated the authority and the other under their charge. There does not have to be a belted person in the house, but there must be the knowledge that one half of the couple is subject to belting at any time.

• Social pressure would, of course, make it likely that belting authority is almost always used in marriages. Unbelted couple would be considered “weird” or “un-mutual” by their peers. There’s a part of me that wonders if further controls should be exercises on the charges, such as needing spousal approval for major purchases, but this is about chastity belting, not creating a new underclass (which the belt law will do sufficiently well enough on its own.)

Owl So for now, let me just focus on one aspect and possible shortcoming in "your" version of the law: I'd say, to make a judge rule in favor of that chastity with full conviction, some bad things must already have happened. Unfortunately and from my experience, these could easily mean very serious, sometimes irreversible things

i agree, but of course there must be a concrete reason for the belt. no judge should be allowed to order/permit it just because of the fear of the parents. there must be reasons otherwise every girl wears a belt even if she is a good girl.

Saintprudence What is the role of trans people here?

I have only formulated the suggestion for women because it is most accepted here on the forum that girls/women wear a belt. but you can also apply the law to boys, transsexuals or other gender identities. just as well, anyone can be a keyholder.

Saintprudence This almost wants me to create a new kind of angle to examine these topics, “Chastity Law Case Studies.” “Sally W. is an unwed college grad student who has has two abortions and no intention of giving up sex. Her parents have petitioned to have her belted until marriage. She objects. What does the Unwed Chastity jury decide?”

i would say she would almost be the perfect example for my idea. not only has she behaved wrongly, but she also does not want to change her behaviour. in this case, i would say that the judge should agree to the parents' request.

Saintprudence because I try to take this place seriously and keep made-up weirdness to a minimum.

if you tag it with a fantasy tag it should not be a problem

Saintprudence And what would happen if she “did not fulfill her marital obligations”? Is this grounds for divorce, or are you proposing it is grounds for belting?

currently it can be a reason for divorce, at least in germany. i considered it more as a reason for the belt here, of course. maybe it would also make wives (or husbands) think and there would be fewer divorces.
For example: Camryn and I were married and she would not perform her marital duties, then I would petition the court to have her wear a belt until she performs her duties again, the court can agree or deny.

Saintprudence Anyone living alone must be under authority.

who should be this authority in your proposal?