Mens and womens things

Rina

@Laura , boss, please, I think we could open a new thread with this.

Ines I think that girls like women's things and men like boys' things

Not always, if you saw one of my coworker from my old work then you may see huge difference.

I believe what people say “women’s things” are kind of something society has been designed like that way based on needs for long time as well as upbringing.

It gets really blurry when it comes to some things. I hope one day people stop making judgement on hobbies / things others do / how people dress based on “women’s thing” / “manly thing”. It really hurts people like myself and my partner a lot.

Angelina

Rina It really hurts people like myself and my partner a lot.

i agree, it's definitely a blow for people like you. but i see it the same way, defining typical female or male hobbies is social nonsense. i like shopping, but i also like watching sports on tv. everyone should do what he/she likes 🙂

youdontknowme I chalk it up to the fact that boys might enter the discipline because that is something a guy might do, but any girls that sign up do so because they are really passionate about the subject matter.

i have the same feeling, it will be because the boys think "a real man must do this", while the girls do it only out of interest, of course it can also be the other way round.

Laura

Rina @Laura , boss, please, I think we could open a new thread with this.

Done

Kaja

There is nothing like "mens thing" and "womens thing". It is only social construct.
The same like that girl are better for lenguages and boys for science or technic.
No, never.

youdontknowme

Kaja There may be statistically significant differences between the two major sexes, but sorting them as "for boys" or "for girls" like that tends to fail to account for individual variance. Not to mention the fact that social reinforcement tends to exacerbate the issue quite significantly, to the point where in many cases, it drastically outweighs any natural difference that might exist.

Having taught a very male-dominated discipline, one thing I noticed is that the girls that stuck around were usually among the top performers in their class. I chalk it up to the fact that boys might enter the discipline because that is something a guy might do, but any girls that sign up do so because they are really passionate about the subject matter.

Ines

Kaja The same like that girl are better for lenguages and boys for science or technic.
No, never.

This is a GENERAL BUT NOT UNIVERSAL true.
Obviously there are several exceptions, but is evident that there are massive and very general bias between sexes.
For example, in my campus, nursery or medicine schools are full of girls, and chemistry is not.

cantsolvethecaptcha Disclaimer: Men and women being different is not by any means a value judgement of the sexes. I just believe that there is a natural, fundamental difference in men and women which in general/on average shows itself in different behaviour. Both are equally good/bad/valuable!

Agree.

cantsolvethecaptcha I think we a straying from the topic at hand! (Caution! @Ines incoming)

Worse... She has arrived... 😂

cantsolvethecaptcha However I think that those so called „social constructs“ are just an expression of fundamental evolutionary biology and psychology.

Totally agree. They are refined biology.

cantsolvethecaptcha

I think we a straying from the topic at hand! (Caution! @Ines incoming)

However I think that those so called „social constructs“ are just an expression of fundamental evolutionary biology and psychology. That why especially in the most liberal countries (Sweden, Finnland, Norway) women tend to do womens jobs and men tend to do mens jobs.

Of course it is only just to acknowledge that there are expectations to the rule! And of course women or men who want a job/hobby/whatever that is generally for the other sex, that should be possible.

However I do believe, that men and women are prepositioned by nature to in general/on average like different things, value different morals, have different bodily and psychological abilities.

Disclaimer: Men and women being different is not by any means a value judgement of the sexes. I just believe that there is a natural, fundamental difference in men and women which in general/on average shows itself in different behaviour. Both are equally good/bad/valuable!

Joh

cantsolvethecaptcha
I propose a new topic and moving the discussion there.

Joh

cantsolvethecaptcha
I recommend from Allan and Barbara Pease 'Why Men Don't Listen and Women Can't Read Maps:.
They describe perfectly the difference for average man and women and that it does not autumatically apply to the individual.

cantsolvethecaptcha

Joh Thank you! I will put it in my book queue!

Angelina

Ines For example, in my campus, nursery or medicine schools are full of girls, and chemistry is not.

this can also have something to do with the education of the parents. some parents do not want their children to learn certain professions or do certain courses of study because they see it as typically female or male.

Philip

:Ines Loads of ladies do chemistry. I done chemistry at university nearly 1/3 of the class was women.

hanna_anders

Ines there are plenty of studies that show that traditionally “male” subjects like engineering and sciences and medicine are taken on and excelled at by women IF they are offered them in a single sex school.
As soon as you have a co-Ed school or college the old gender stereotypes appear, girls do “girl” stuff, boys do “boy” stuff.
Yes, there are usually physical differences between men and women, but that doesn’t mean that girls can’t do very well in a lot of traditionally male environments. There are plenty of female doctors and scientists.

Ines

Thanks, @Laura

Ines

Philip

Of course, but 33% vs 66%, I have friends in chemistry, even in physics science are less girls.
At least here, most of the girls in the branch of science studies are in the biosanitary.
Even those who do robotics or engineering degrees concentrate on bio robotics or bioengineering.
However, there are always girls and female teachers in all degrees.

Philip

Ines I suppose it would be nice if it was more 50:50 but not many folk like chemistry.

Where i work there is way more women than men I would say easily 3/4 are women.

Ines

Philip

Well, as a woman, I must say that I do not care much.
Here the politicians worry about things like "that few women study naval engineering" and yet they are not worried "that few boys study psychology, nursing or early childhood education teacher".
I would be angry that a girl could not be, for example, a military pilot, but that, being able to do it, few girls want to do it worries me 0.
I think that the important thing is that each one chooses what they like and there, in general, there are certain differences, but, I repeat, having freedom as there is, I am not worried.

youdontknowme

A lot of gender differences in some scientific disciplines is also the lack of female role models. Decades ago, womem did not have the choice, and the effects of that are still felt today, among with maybe a sense of "she's a woman, she cannot do that" prejudice among hiring managers, and similar prejudices from educators. Encouraging girls to take a look at male-majority professions is not about interfering with their choices, but about finding a new equilibrium that reflects actual natural differences moreso than systemic biases, so a 90-10 distribution might turn into a 70-30 one or something along those lines.

Philip

youdontknowme the lady that taught me electro chemistry became the head of the Royal society of chemistry.

Ines

youdontknowme
I disagree, I have also heard that many times, but I have always believed that it is not true.
Nor were there references in medicine, biology, veterinary science or architecture and these are fields in which women have displaced men.
The land where we have been interested in entering, we have entered.

Angelina

youdontknowme Encouraging girls to take a look at male-majority professions is not about interfering with their choices, but about finding a new equilibrium that reflects actual natural differences

the question is whether these differences have to be abolished. in this day and age, a woman can become anything she wants. i think it's more important to tell women that they should let themselves be pressed into a profession because of social schemes. if afterwards the weight is still 90 to 10 for the men, then it has happened naturally.

that's why i'm also against this eternal egalitarianism. i want the best to get the best posts, regardless of whether it's a man or a woman.