Mens and womens things

Barbara

Nobody messed with me, but I didn't like it and even though I passed, it was hard for me to do it

Joh

Ines If she was good at physic in school than it is her decission If she like it or Not. But the Point is was she able to get the Support and Knowledge in school to come to this decission?
The Report is about that. Mixed classes are a disadvantage for girls in these subjects.

Ines

Joh

I had same support, classes and information than boys 🤷🏻‍♀️
But it is boring and its application are not very nice either (for me).

Angelina

youdontknowme but also because of how it exposes gender minorities who do not perfectly fit with either group to harm.

of course, more feminine men or masculine women might have big problems, but such students should generally go to a mixed school.

Joh If both are in the same lesson Girls are slower to respond to questions than boys regardless of whether they know for sure or not. So they hold back even though they often know better. This creates an imbalance that does not occur when they are taught separately.

i understand that, but shouldn't girls learn to overcome exactly that, how are these girls supposed to learn and develop into strong women if they are always in a protected zone?

hanna_anders its a proven effect. girls dont like to be seen doing "hard" subjects if they are with boys. Look it up.

and it is the task of a good school to prevent this and to make both girls and boys strong for life.

Joh But the Point is was she able to get the Support and Knowledge in school to come to this decission?
The Report is about that. Mixed classes are a disadvantage for girls in these subjects.

in my opinion, however, this has less to do with the form of the school than with the quality. what you are describing is rather a bad school.

Joh

Ines That is fine But you can't extrapolate you experiance to a General statement

Ines

Joh
But it was not only me, but everyone in my high school and in my friends' high school too.
I know of no girl who has been looked at badly or put up barriers. To none.

I can tell you that sometimes the most clumsy students made fun of those of us who got good grades, but with boys and girls (and sometimes worse with studious boys) and they made no distinction, an A in physics was the same than an A in literature 😂😂
Biology is a very hard science branch and we are plenty of girls in it.

I think that this is a topic in which politicians have a lot of interest and manipulate a lot.
A few weeks ago the European Union released a map by countries and women in science careers. For my country it said that we were 38%...
And you know what? that there were small letters under the map... Do you know what it said? That in Spain the career of Medicine and career of Nursing had been discounted.
Why? because if they included them, it turned out that here 54% of those enrolled in science careers are girls...

I do not know why but they are very heavy on that topic, and the truth is that what they say I have not seen.

And yes, I have not seen it all, but neither do they, when they paint that painting, take into account that it is not my painting.

I think they want to make things more complicated than they are.

Joh

I had chemistry and found it very interesting. In the next school, the teacher did everything he could to present it in a totally boring way. Although I still found it good, I was very often on the verge of falling asleep.
It depends on each individual's experience, but that doesn't make a general statement about whether girls are less suitable for it.

Joh

Ines Don't trust any statistics you haven't made yourself 🤣

hanna_anders

Ines A few weeks ago the European Union released a map by countries and women in science careers. For my country it said that we were 38%...
And you know what? that there were small letters under the map... Do you know what it said? That in Spain the career of Medicine and career of Nursing had been discounted.
Why? because if they included them, it turned out that here 54% of those enrolled in science careers are girls...

Sorry I dont get this - what are you saying here? That more women are in science or fewer? If you could share a link to that map it would be very interesting.

youdontknowme

Ines We have to be careful and we can not fall into the discourse of "if we tell girls to be careful we are holding them responsible", I do not know in your country, but in mine you hear it a lot.
It would be the same as saying that when the summer season arrives and a police officer always goes on television to remember security rules to avoid robberies "by telling a homeowner to take precautions, the owner of the house is being held responsible of the robbery."

I have been saying that for years and getting blocked for it. Bad people are out there; you do not protect yourself by pretending they do not exist becaue they should not. And if you do get hurt, not being at fault for it is a minor consolation.

Ines

hanna_anders That more women are in science or fewer?

More. What happens is that many women in scientific careers are in medicine and nursing, so if you deliberately do not count those two careers, the percentage of girls in science grades drops.

I am googling and I can not find that map, I only find one from Eurostat with the correct numbers for Spain. I am still looking to see if I can find it.

hanna_anders

Ines it’s curious that the statistics for women in medicine isn’t counted. I’d find that very odd indeed, and would make me doubt the rest of the statistical map, unless it’s being very specific about what it calls “science”

hanna_anders

Ines a quick search on the internet shows that at one university in England 45% of students studying physics were women. This might be unusual, but I doubt it. There were also a lot of female students from outside the UK. I’m not sure what it means (I’m not that bright ) in terms of overall numbers, but I suspect you’re extrapolating your own personal observations to the rest of the world.

Ines

hanna_anders but I suspect you’re extrapolating your

I obviously can talk about my experience in my country, and I do not know of any girl with bad feedback if she chooses study a science degree.
Further, I will say that in my country most of teachers are female.
It so happens that the percentage of women who study physics and then dedicate themselves to teaching is much higher than that of men.
Again it is another bias.

I cannot speak of other realities that I do not know, but I can say what I have lived here

6373e6b2

As viewed from CS/EE perspective I used to think that there is a gender difference in that there are no average female engineers, all that I had known were either exceedingly good or exceedingly bad while playing the “I'm a woman in STEM” card. Well I probably was biased, because my first serious girlfriend was exactly the latter case, combined with physical handicap, which certainly did not help with sane approach to her self-esteem.

For last 3 years I'm in essentially managerial position (essentially a CTO) and I've found out that this really is not a gender difference. There simply isn't anyone who is average and most people in IT simply are ridiculously incompetent regardless of their gender.

youdontknowme

6373e6b2 Technical disciplines tend to follow more of a camel curve than a bell curve as aptitude plays a huge role in learning progress even with good instructors. But rom my experience, the mid-range is usually still more underrepresented in females than in males.

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