hanna_anders if you're doing the same job you should get the same pay, that kind of thing.
This is a reality in Europe for decades. Pay different to employees making same work is a crime.
What would you need for a chastity-friendly culture?
All depends on how well the people at the bottom end of the salary gap can document that they are being discriminated against by gender. In a union job with identical job descriptions, that will be a lot easier than a non-union job that hires them in different positions but gives them similar tasks.
Plus the fact that there are many jobs more commonly done by women that pay less than jobs with similar effort and responsibilities that are mostly done by men.
Joh You are wrong. The 18% is the gross overall income difference between the genders. This figure does not adjust for the „equal work“ variable. German Wikipedia explains that very well.
cantsolvethecaptcha But equal pay for equal work has been a reality in as far as I can see every western country
it should be, yes, but it isnt yet, thats why we have expensive law suits demanding backdated pay for women workers. It is illegal but the companies still do it.
Eh!
Please, stop talking about salary gap.
I honestly think that I don't want to live in a chastity friendly society.
I think it is better when wearing a chastity belt is not seen as something normal, especially when minors are involved. I think in many cases it's forced and as an outsider you never know if it's forced or not.
If it's forced, it's wrong to accept it, if it's not forced it can be seen as a sexual fetish, even if many wearers would call if a sexual fetish but at the end I think living like this is exactly that. I think in many cases (including this) it's not right to openly show sexual preferences. But I can't say where I would draw the line exactly because on the other side I see myself as a very liberal person.
I wouldn't have a problem to see foreigner living a fetish that is not mine, like for example wearing a dog mask, crawling on all fours on a leash. If both are happy with this, it shouldn't be my business, but I wouldn't want children and teenagers to see it in public and I think with chastity devices it's the same. There are things that are impossible to hide, like basketball sized breast implants, they couldn't be hidden, but showing them to minors is still not optimal from my point of view, but it's impossible not to do it while it is possible for a chastity belt.
Children should be educated in a way that they become open minded people accepting everything that people consensually do with eachother, but at the same time I think that they should get the chance to develop their sexualities without to much influence of fetishes of all kind. They can explore them soon enough but step 1 should be exploring the boring, normal vanilla sex.
Sara2001 I agree with you point of view.
To protect the minors, it should be explicitly forbidden by law for minors to wear a CB.
As you know from your own experience, although I think it is already illegal in Germany, your parents could force you to do it and you allowed it. Just like most of you here.
I have to agree in most of points, and again again I think it is absolutely necessary that girls become aware of their body as part of the development before wearing a belt.
But I think on the last part, we have a bit of a disagreement. I understand that this more chastity-friendly society is not driven by a fetishistic interest, (if so, you are absolutely right), so I do not think that your last reasoning could be applied.
I agree with you that, in this case, the law should establish a minimum age. I leave the mandatory age because there is already a thread about it.
and that's exactly where i have my doubts, hence the example with the bike helmet. i think it could lead to a lot of people thinking it would be good if teenage kids wear a belt and then they wouldn't care anymore whether voluntarily or not, or have you ever experienced that a father/mother was reported because forced their child to wear a bicycle helmet?
Rina I believe that chastity belt should only be normalized if it is between two consenting adults
I would go one step further, it would be acceptable for me if the child (at least from the age of 14) agrees, everything that is forced would be extremely bad, I think society and the legislators should clearly define the limits
hanna_anders I know thats not a popular idea around here
if you talk about equality of opportunity i even agree with you, i disagree if you talk about equality of outcome 
Joh The difference is around 18% in Germany.
Because women are more likely to work in low-paying jobs than men, different jobs result in different salaries. However, as already noted, it is illegal for women and men to earn different wages for the same job
Sara2001 and I think with chastity devices it's the same
in a chastity-friendly society, however, it would not be the same, then the chastity belt would no longer be considered a fetish object, but a normal object. I agree with the rest of your post, but I disagree on this point
Joh To protect the minors, it should be explicitly forbidden by law for minors to wear a CB.
i don't agree it should be forbidden to force minors but they shouldn't be forbidden to wear one of their own free will, i see no reason for that
Angelina i don't agree it should be forbidden to force minors but they shouldn't be forbidden to wear one of their own free will, i see no reason for that
If it would be like that we would have a vague situation. Did she agree to it or is she forced?
If it forbidden at all for minors their would be no doubt. This would clear protect minors.
Angelina I would go one step further, it would be acceptable for me if the child (at least from the age of 14) agrees, everything that is forced would be extremely bad, I think society and the legislators should clearly define the limits
The problem is that to prevent abuse, you need to ensure that consent is freely given, informed and all that sort of stuff. Considering the power balance between a minor and their guardian, something that resembles consent to an outside observer can be manufactured through various carrot-and-stick methods and misinformation, so while it is certainly possible that minors want to grow up chaste and while it may be good to give them the opportunity, allowing parents (or other authority figures like teachers) to hold their keys would also make it a lot easier for abusers to get away with their crimes, so I still consider it a bad idea.
What would one need for a chastity friendly culture.
Well, especially for men society expects them to be hung and always willing to habe sex.
I think we would need some general acceptence in the first place. That's the most important thing.
Aoart from that: Having some steril warm water injectos for the tubes of chastity devices at public toilets would be nice.
Then... maybe some japaneese toilets as they have a water spray to clean the genitals.
Would be practical to clean the female belts.
Joh If it would be like that we would have a vague situation. Did she agree to it or is she forced?
even though i'm on thin ice now, i'll make the comparison. what about young muslim girls who wear a headscarf? we don't know either if it's voluntary or if they're forced (mostly by the family). we accepted it because it's part of religious/cultural self-determination. i know it's thin ice, but the comparison seems reasonable to me.
also here a comparison. until a few years ago there was the possibility that minors could marry from the age of 16 if the parents agreed, if they did not do this one could sue for consent in court. perhaps one could open up the possibility that in the case of minors the conditions are determined beforehand by a court.
But then there would already have to be a mass movement, only then would the infrastructure of public toilets be changed to "chastity belt friendly".
I think because you could never be sure if someone wears it as her free decision or if she is forced to wear it in one or the other way, it would be wrong to generally accept it as something normal.
It's a bit like with burquas and niquabs.
youdontknowme The problem is that to prevent abuse, you need to ensure that consent is freely given, informed and all that sort of stuff. Considering the power balance between a minor and their guardian, something that resembles consent to an outside observer can be manufactured through various carrot-and-stick methods and misinformation, so while it is certainly possible that minors want to grow up chaste and while it may be good to give them the opportunity, allowing parents (or other authority figures like teachers) to hold their keys would also make it a lot easier for abusers to get away with their crimes, so I still consider it a bad idea.
@Angelina This is why I feel like chastity belt should only be normal between two consenting adults without power imbalance, even if it is more accepted than now. That's where normalization of such things like chastity belts should stop at.
Comparing it with headscarf muslims wear (hijab) is not a good comparison either. Look at what is going on in Iran, and things that has happened in Iran. There were and is constant resistance and many human rights organizations are siding with resistance. It's because forcing such things via law, social pressure or coercion violates fundamental human rights. If something like chstity belt is worn fully free of pressure, coercion, or any power imbalance, I'm okay with it. But once any of three gets involved, I'm strongly against it.
