George Nowhere in this list I see anything that would make family more honest than any random person

The family won't hurt you at least intentionally

    Laura The family won't hurt you at least intentionally

    George's point is that this may be true of many families, but certainly not of all of them. As he said, you do not get to pick them.

      George All true, but you do know them. If you have a family member who is untrustworthy, you would know that about them in advance whereas with a random stranger, you don't.

      Laura The family won't hurt you at least intentionally

      Sorry, I can't confirm that. It depends on the family and it's great if it's like that with you.

        Laura The family won't hurt you at least intentionally

        It all depends on what kind of family it is. The family is usually a great support for a person, but there are also various pathologies that can lead to harm.

        • Ines replied to this.

          Andrew

          Yes, but it is strange, and bad families have social rejection

            Ines Unfortunately, there are many such families. The vast majority of my former professional work consisted in contacts with them - juvenile delinquency does not come out of nowhere, it is usually the result of coming from a dysfunctional family.

              Andrew While I wouldn’t call mine dysfunctional, it was the lack of constant oversight that allowed my behavior. But it couldn’t be helped.

                Sasha Yeah, I joked sometimes that I was not parented at all. My parents have careers, societal responsibilities, and well, whatever resources they allocated to parenting, the others which were brats on steroids consumed.

                Which leads to as @Andrew nicely put to interesting pathological situations.

                And while it @Laura is right too, families tend not to harm members intentionally. Usually. BUT there is a big catch here:

                Rina Eden Knight's family deliberately destroyed her life.
                https://socdoneleft.substack.com/p/a-timeline-for-eden-knight

                Do you think Eden's family thought they have harmed Eden? They only did it to help him become "normal".
                (Besides, being female is in Saudi culture inferior, so why would a male want to be a female?)

                Families might have quite convoluted values, beliefs, traditions.

                I literally had one, that refused a daughter needed and relatively easy (as a small kid) surgery, because they took it as a sign of God (or whatever, hard to grasp the thinking of some of these people), leading to their daughter being hampered when walking, and dangerous surgery as an adult to help the situation (if not fix, a bit late for this, the whole bone system has developed wrongly). So yes, familial beliefs can lead indirectly to physical harm too.

                Take on the other hand, that recommendations on parenting, well potentially even on "healthy eating", can and do vary by the decade and country/state. (Laws do also change, but what is even more of a trap, enforcement of laws can dramatically change over time too.)

                We literally have generations of adults still around that learned, masturbation is bad (Why? well, because). Got news for you, there are still places, even in the so-called civilized West, where this is more or less taught to kids/young adults.

                My observation was only, that in "better-off families", it's often even harder to get out of reach of the family (for many reasons, including that alarming the authorities will not work and/or is a very unattractive option in many ways), so I've seen purely in my limited circle of acquaintances so rather fascinating (like watching the Texas Chainsaw Massacre) menu of pathologies. To use that nicely sounding, educated word.

                  Sasha it was the lack of constant oversight that allowed my behavior.

                  Since it was sorted out later, it was just a mistake

                  Philip Would you move out of your family home?

                  I think so, the privacy would be nice, and I'd like to have my home set up much differently then how my parents do!

                  Philip Would you continue to wear the belt after moving out of your family home?

                  I think so, but I'd have the keys to myself, or IF I ever have a partner, them. idk if I'd like my mother having them after I move out 😅

                    Renita I'm fine with my mother having them while I live in the same house as her, but I feel like if I move away then I'd be too far away for it to be convenient or necessarily safe, plus I think by then I'd prefer to move on rather then have her keep them

                      CutiedeTahlia but I feel like if I move away then I'd be too far away for it to be convenient or necessarily safe

                      You can move to the next street.

                      CutiedeTahlia plus I think by then I'd prefer to move on rather then have her keep them

                      While you are single.

                      CutiedeTahlia have my home set up much differently then how my parents do!

                      In which way would it be?

                      CutiedeTahlia if I'd like my mother having them after I move out 😅

                      A spar Key for emergency would be good.

                      George

                      you do not get to pick them.

                      George

                      Families might have quite convoluted values, beliefs, traditions.

                      I daresay you've described the human condition.

                      Laura

                      I can say so about mine

                      Count yourself lucky, indeed.