Angelina so she promised to think about it without demanding that you wear a belt too?
I didn't say so. We were talking about her only.
Angelina i am impressed again, your mother seems to have changed a lot in her attitude about this
No, she didn't, I did.
Jonas I hope she'll get waist style model
Yes, her choice is waist style.
Christine Yes, her choice is waist style.
You know, I really hope she does it. Her rules should apply to her too.
Same goes for @Jenna in the other thread. I try to be pro-chastity on here as I genuinely think that some form of moderation is good for us all. But more than that I really do think the rules that apply to @Susan should be fairly applied all around. I was really impressed when @HHelen got herself a belt to wear in parallel with her daughter.
now we are thinking very far ahead, i think we will just see what happens haha 
Christine I didn't say so. We were talking about her only.
but then she didn't expect anything in return if she wore a belt?
Christine Yes, her choice is waist style.
so she decided to wear a belt, has it been ordered yet? who gets the keys?
Jonas With express order it could all be bought and fitted by next week!
theoretically you would also be a good key holder for @Christine 's mother, you go into it with full commitment 
Angelina Hahaha. I've spent so long looking for the perfect way to keep me in absolute chastity, so, yeah I probably would make a great keyholder for someone else!!
But, I'd be so strict Angelina. I'd demand numbered seals, daily photographs of the lock and real life consequences for breaking the belt. And like @Tobbe, there'd be a secondary shield and no time off!!
Beach parties ....would be spent entirely belted. 
Looks at @Jen. Lol.
Why would I be so tough? Well, because I know of at least one person (ME) who'd really honestly choose it and for whom it'd be a blessing.
Jonas Why would I be so tough? Well, because I know of at least one person (ME) who'd really honestly choose it and for whom it'd be a blessing.
yes, i think so, although in my opinion you are making a small mistake here. the keyholder should always orientate himself on the wearer and not on his own experiences. it is important that the wearer can handle it, even if it is a completely different way than the one the keyholder likes.
Angelina I agree that the wearer's needs are a priority here, however the primary role of the keyholder is to be allied to the belt and to the idea of preserving the wearer's chastity.
Yes, the point of having a person to hold the key is to allow for some form of intelligent assessment of the situation, otherwise you might as well throw the key away, so a keyholder has to be present, responsive, and sympathetic.
But by definition the primary role of a key holder is to hold the key!! - They must do everything reasonable, safe and consensual to ensure that chastity is maintained.
This is what I'd want from a keyholder anyhow: Strength with sanity.
Jonas But by definition the primary role of a key holder is to hold the key!! - They must do everything reasonable, safe and consensual to ensure that chastity is maintained.
To hold the key as needed. The point of a bus driver is not to keep the vehicle moving as much as possible either, it is to stop at the agreed-upon locations.
Jen Nah, primary role look after whoever is locked - make sure they're ok - make sure their life is working and they're happy
I can only speak from experience. As someone who's locked up, this isn't what I want from my keyholder. It's my job to make sure my life is working and that I'm okay. It's my keyholder's job to help to ensure that I can't have sex or masturbate. That's all I want from a keyholder.
youdontknowme To hold the key as needed. The point of a bus driver is not to keep the vehicle moving as much as possible either, it is to stop at the agreed-upon locations.
Covered by "reasonable, safe and consensual" above.
The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.
I wholeheartedly agree!!!!
I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.
Jonas The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.
that is correct the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.
Angelina I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.
the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.
We absolutely agree. Great!
Angelina for one thing you could have one night stands, also i think you have the same right as your mother, you are both single so the same standards should be used
Both should wear it!
Jonas or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.
Yes, it is. Every new rule should be talked and negotiated.
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