Single again chastity

Jonas

Christine Yes, her choice is waist style.

You know, I really hope she does it. Her rules should apply to her too.

Same goes for @Jenna in the other thread. I try to be pro-chastity on here as I genuinely think that some form of moderation is good for us all. But more than that I really do think the rules that apply to @Susan should be fairly applied all around. I was really impressed when @HHelen got herself a belt to wear in parallel with her daughter.

Christine

Jonas You know, I really hope she does it. Her rules should apply to her too.

Or she can get married instead.

Angelina but then she didn't expect anything in return if she wore a belt?

She always expects it.

Angelina so she decided to wear a belt, has it been ordered yet?

Not yet, just measurements.

Angelina who gets the keys?

Me.

bdsamm unless she is incapacited for some reason she is capable of living on her own and making her own decisions

I live on my own now.

bdsamm As to Mother wearing a belt, what does that have to do with anything in this case?

Prevent sex, ofc.

Ines Mothers do not have any excuse to avoid wear the the belt if their daughters wear it.

Do they have any excuse if their daughters don't?

Angelina

Jonas

now we are thinking very far ahead, i think we will just see what happens haha 😆

Christine I didn't say so. We were talking about her only.

but then she didn't expect anything in return if she wore a belt?

Christine Yes, her choice is waist style.

so she decided to wear a belt, has it been ordered yet? who gets the keys?

Jonas

Angelina now we are thinking very far ahead, i think we will just see what happens haha 😆

With express order it could all be bought and fitted by next week!

Angelina

Jonas With express order it could all be bought and fitted by next week!

theoretically you would also be a good key holder for @Christine 's mother, you go into it with full commitment 😉

Jonas

Angelina Hahaha. I've spent so long looking for the perfect way to keep me in absolute chastity, so, yeah I probably would make a great keyholder for someone else!!

But, I'd be so strict Angelina. I'd demand numbered seals, daily photographs of the lock and real life consequences for breaking the belt. And like @Tobbe, there'd be a secondary shield and no time off!!

Beach parties ....would be spent entirely belted. 😀 Looks at @Jen. Lol.

Why would I be so tough? Well, because I know of at least one person (ME) who'd really honestly choose it and for whom it'd be a blessing.

Jen

Jonas Beach parties ....would be spent entirely belted. 😀 Looks at @Jen. Lol.

Nope I didn't need to be belted till 10 first night 😝

Angelina

Jonas Why would I be so tough? Well, because I know of at least one person (ME) who'd really honestly choose it and for whom it'd be a blessing.

yes, i think so, although in my opinion you are making a small mistake here. the keyholder should always orientate himself on the wearer and not on his own experiences. it is important that the wearer can handle it, even if it is a completely different way than the one the keyholder likes.

Jonas

Jen 🤣 The Entire Trip.

Jonas

Angelina I agree that the wearer's needs are a priority here, however the primary role of the keyholder is to be allied to the belt and to the idea of preserving the wearer's chastity.

Yes, the point of having a person to hold the key is to allow for some form of intelligent assessment of the situation, otherwise you might as well throw the key away, so a keyholder has to be present, responsive, and sympathetic.

But by definition the primary role of a key holder is to hold the key!! - They must do everything reasonable, safe and consensual to ensure that chastity is maintained.

This is what I'd want from a keyholder anyhow: Strength with sanity.

Renita

Christine I didn't say so. We were talking about her only.

Hopefully you will be asked to put on yours first.

Jen

Jonas But by definition the primary role of a key holder is to hold the key!!

Nah, primary role look after whoever is locked - make sure they're ok - make sure their life is working and they're happy

youdontknowme

Jonas But by definition the primary role of a key holder is to hold the key!! - They must do everything reasonable, safe and consensual to ensure that chastity is maintained.

To hold the key as needed. The point of a bus driver is not to keep the vehicle moving as much as possible either, it is to stop at the agreed-upon locations.

Angelina

Jonas

I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.

Jonas The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.

that is correct the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.

Jonas

Jen Nah, primary role look after whoever is locked - make sure they're ok - make sure their life is working and they're happy

I can only speak from experience. As someone who's locked up, this isn't what I want from my keyholder. It's my job to make sure my life is working and that I'm okay. It's my keyholder's job to help to ensure that I can't have sex or masturbate. That's all I want from a keyholder.

Jonas

youdontknowme To hold the key as needed. The point of a bus driver is not to keep the vehicle moving as much as possible either, it is to stop at the agreed-upon locations.

Covered by "reasonable, safe and consensual" above.

The forum has however revealed a real problem: keyholders who over-step, push for ever greater or longer control, try to use chastity where consent cannot properly be given, or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.

Avery

Jonas The forum has however revealed a real problem:

Well said.

Ines

Angelina for one thing you could have one night stands, also i think you have the same right as your mother, you are both single so the same standards should be used

Both should wear it!
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Jonas or who surprise wearers with additional demands. All of this is bad keyholding, it's wrong.

Yes, it is. Every new rule should be talked and negotiated.

bdsamm

I wholeheartedly agree!!!!

Jonas

Angelina I am of course only talking about volunteers in this case and then the key holder has the task of enforcing the previously agreed objectives, motivating the wearer to achieve the objective and also saying no in weak moments of the wearer in order to ensure that the objectives are achieved.

the keyholder must never go further than what has been agreed upon.

We absolutely agree. Great!

Angelina

Ines Both should wear it!
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or neither of them 😉
but generally you are right, both are in the same situation, so same rules for both

Jonas

Angelina or neither of them 😉
but generally you are right, both are in the same situation, so same rules for both

Tbh. I'm surprised the suggestion that they both wear belts wasn't made sooner.

And the same goes for all the parents on here. If masturbating is so wrong, then they should wear a belt themselves.

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