Guaranteed virginity until marriage

Angelina

Vanessa Yes,I know it way too well(and you too).

that is true (unfortunately)

Vanessa But doesn't worked well,it seems!😉

I think it depends on how high the shame threshold is. 😉

HHelen Yes, it works this way.

So it seems she is a bit uncomfortable to ask?

Jonas

i'm more honest, i say masturbate 😉

HHelen

Vanessa Logical with a secure belt.

And I like it.

Vanessa How often is your goal,so?

Not more than once a week. And when she becomes a student it should be more rare.

Angelina So it seems she is a bit uncomfortable to ask?

I hope she is ashamed.

Vanessa

Angelina I think it depends on how high the shame threshold is. 😉

Sure,but for now,she still ask often,it seems.

Angelina So it seems she is a bit uncomfortable to ask?

Understandable.

Angelina i'm more honest, i say masturbate 😉

Me too,generally.But "solo sex" work,too.

Kurt

I agree.

HHelen And I like it.

Not surprising!

HHelen Not more than once a week. And when she becomes a student it should be more rare.

That is not often,even if better than nothing.Less would be hard for her...

But,why less often when she becomes a student?

And what if she hasn't reduced(or not reduced enough in your opinion)when she's a student?

HHelen I hope she is ashamed.

Do you think it is the case?

Kurt

Jonas Yeah you can describe it that way. But I see nothing bad in it. Because before you can love somebody else you have to love yourself first. 😉

Jonas

Kurt Yeah you can describe it that way. But I see nothing bad in it.

I used to feel the same way. Now I see masturbation as a sexual short-circuit.

Kurt

Jonas After some time yes. But when you begin to explore masturbation, it's a good way to find out how your own body works and even what he is capable of. And if you learn how to please yourself (where and how to touch...) you can learn how to please others (especially if your partner has the same gender).
And in my case it helped me to understand my own needs (and so called fetishes) better.

Jonas

Kurt I understand this and would have thought as you do in my 20s, but, looking back, I think such exploring is better done with a partner.

Jonas

HHelen Not more than once a week. And when she becomes a student it should be more rare.

A generous allocation in comparison with some on here.

Angelina

HHelen I hope she is ashamed.

hmm... you hope? i thought you could notice it by how often she asks.

HHelen And when she becomes a student it should be more rare.

i think once a week should also be possible during the studies, at least on weekends.

Kurt

HHelen I hope she is ashamed.

And what is when the opposite effect taking place? By questioning again and again maybe she lose the shame.

HHelen

Angelina i thought you could notice it by how often she asks

No, it depends on other things.

Vanessa But,why less often when she becomes a student?

Because she shouldn't waste her time and energy for it.

Vanessa And what if she hasn't reduced(or not reduced enough in your opinion)when she's a student?

It will be my choice only, because we know, the belt works.

Kurt By questioning again and again maybe she lose the shame.

If she asks too frequently, the secondary shield will remain locked for longer time.

Jonas

Vanessa But,why less often when she becomes a student?

Maybe she's expected to control herself more and more as she gets older? A lot of people see masturbation as a phase young adults are supposed to pass through.

Angelina

Vanessa And what if she hasn't reduced(or not reduced enough in your opinion)when she's a student?

i fear the abstinence belt will then become a chastity belt 🙁

Kurt By questioning again and again maybe she lose the shame.

that's right, it can have a habitual effect

Vanessa

Jonas

As long as she's single,or not allowed to have sex with a boyfriend/girlfriend,and not do it excessively,it it logical she does it,I think.

And I think single students does it often...

Jonas

Vanessa As things stand; it can't get out of control as her mother won't let it. I wish that my family had set such limits for me.

Vanessa

Kurt

I thought it can happen,too.It can become common for her to ask.

Angelina i fear the abstinence belt will then become a chastity belt 🙁

I think it is a risk,yes.

HHelen Because she shouldn't waste her time and energy for it.

As long as it doesn't affect her studies,it should be ok.And I doubt she would spend so much time and energy doing it that her studies would be badly impacted.

HHelen It will be my choice only, because we know, the belt works.

So,she would not be allowed to ask to take it off,but would have to wait you decide to take it off?She could be way less cooperative about wearing the belt,so.

Angelina already now or only when she starts her studies ?

Now;she told it is a punishment if she insists to have it off during the day,too.

Angelina therefore such conditions should be clarified beforehand

I agree.Changing the rules after she accepted to wear it is not a good idea(and very unfair).

Jonas

Angelina i fear the abstinence belt will then become a chastity belt

HHelen It will be my choice only, because we know, the belt works.

I think @HHelen reserves the right to use it as full chastity belt when/if she decides it's appropriate. It's like I wrote here: https://unwedchastity.org/d/70-excessive-masturbation/230 "wearers find they have to explain to someone else why they should be allowed to masturbate."

Angelina

HHelen No, it depends on other things.

which ones, for example ?

HHelen If she asks too frequently, the secondary shield will remain locked for longer time.

already now or only when she starts her studies ?

Jonas wearers find they have to explain to someone else why they should be allowed to masturbate."

which of course is not easy and yes i agree this can turn the abstinence belt into a chastity belt. therefore such conditions should be clarified beforehand

HHelen

Jonas I think @HHelen reserves the right to use it as full chastity belt when/if she decides it's appropriate

Her university studies will allow me to amend the agreement.

Angelina already now or only when she starts her studies ?

Now. She will not have this privilege when she starts her studies.

Vanessa As long as it doesn't affect her studies,it should be ok

Your parents had a different opinion and they wanted to prevent masturbation.

Vanessa So,she would not be allowed to ask to take it off,but would have to wait you decide to take it off?

She would be allowed to ask, but I decide.

Vanessa Changing the rules after she accepted to wear it is not a good idea(and very unfair).

If she wants me to pay for her university, it's fair.

Jonas

Angelina

Angelina i agree this can turn the abstinence belt into a chastity belt. therefore such conditions should be clarified beforehand

If both agree that masturbation is a sexual act then it's fair to use a chastity belt to prevent it.

But I agree with you that this should be clarified.

Angelina

Jonas If both agree that masturbation is a sexual act then it's fair to use a chastity belt to prevent it.

I think very few would argue that it is not a sexual act, the question is rather what the belt is meant to prevent.?

Jonas

Angelina I think over on the MisterPoll discussions someone pointed out that the front shield of female belts gets wider in line with the clitoris. In combination with the development of the secondary shield I think it is clear that belts are designed to prevent both intercourse and masturbation.

Whether wearers and keyholders have that purpose in mind is, of course, up to them to decide.

Angelina

Jonas Whether wearers and keyholders have that purpose in mind is, of course, up to them to decide.

that's what i mean and i think that's the main question, everything else can be managed with a key 😉

Vanessa Now;she told it is a punishment if she insists to have it off during the day,too.

a punishment is still different from a change of the rules, i have explained this in detail 😉

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