Advice for potential new Keyholders

Angelina

Sasha Without that acceptance this is nothing less than a punishment to her

right and that's exactly the point that's missing, Jane's consent. If she doesn't see the belt as a tool, she will only see it as a punishment and then Monica will have achieved her goals, but she will have a very strained relationship with her daughter.
Monica wants Jane to be a good girl, so she should set a good example herself. I appreciate that Jenna and Susan took the time to attend the meeting, but it seems like it was just an alibi to convince Jane to go to the store

Susan

Angelina I thought the same thing too. Monica was going to do this anyway, but having AJ and me there provided her some credibility. That woman at the store, Alexis is hard core, she thinks girls should be in chastity all the time. I can just about guarantee she pushed Monica to move forward.

Greatcornbow

Angelina right and that's exactly the point that's missing, Jane's consent. If she doesn't see the belt as a tool, she will only see it as a punishment and then Monica will have achieved her goals, but she will have a very strained relationship with her daughter.
Monica wants Jane to be a good girl, so she should set a good example herself. I appreciate that Jenna and Susan took the time to attend the meeting, but it seems like it was just an alibi to convince Jane to go to the store

How about starting off with consent being on basis that it continues subject to being terminable on a period of [x] months notice?

Jenna

Raquel To use a belt could be the first step

It could and my hope is that she is successful in convincing Jane that it is the right thing to do. I don't know how it will play out, but I will keep the group informed.

Susan

Angelina I think you are right, Monica is coming on too strong. Jane texted me today and said that her mom got the shipping notification and the belt is being delivered next week. She is nervous, but I will talk to her, I told her it's scary at first but you get used to it.

Susan

Raquel i´m sure too, but with 0 masturbation rule, it´s obvious she´ll have to use them. I hope her mom was reasonable keyholder.

Maybe, not sure how that will be handled. I only wore them once, and only after I agreed to it. I hope her mom is not insistent.

Angelina

Susan Maybe, not sure how that will be handled. I only wore them once, and only after I agreed to it. I hope her mom is not insistent.

Can you ask Jane what the rules for wearing the belt and thigh bands should be? I think Monica and Jane will definitely have talked about it

Susan Monica was going to do this anyway

The question is whether Jane knew that and whether she would then have come along at all?

No matter what you think about what your aunt did, there remains a crucial difference. Jenna asked you for consensus beforehand, but Monica didn't do that. There is no consent from Jane (not even a reluctant one like "I don't like it, but I can accept it"). It was decided entirely over Jane's head what should happen and that's a no-go

Susan

WriterAlexis I totally agree with you. I think she knows she fucked up and is showing some contrition now. She knows her mom is pissed off and she knows she crossed some major lines and there is price she has to pay for that. I don't know the whole story behind her actions, maybe one day she will share. I will help her though. She is a cool girl and I will help her as best I can.

Ines

Susan That woman at the store, Alexis is hard core, she thinks girls should be in chastity all the time.

But she is the woman that fix and customize your own belt, right?
Anyway there are big difference between "to think" and "to force". I think too that A LOT of things would be better if more women were wearing a chastity belt, your aunt @Jenna and her mom Monica too.
But, specially if you run a workshop and you have seen a lot of girls and a lot of cases, you can not be pushy. My family has a workshop that works, not only, the belts and accessories, and the environment is very different, and the owner is a man, when he is checking everything girls can talk with him freely and tell him every adjustment issue.
Reading you, it seems to me that Alexis is very worried about sell belts and much less about the ethics and relationship. If she sells the belt, she won.

Kaja

stop, stop, stop, STOP!

It goes so wrong

pestulens

I have to ask, has anyone made it clear to Jane that she could refuse all of this? Dose she know that her mother can't (legally) force her?
Since we are only seeing part of the story (and second hand at that) it can be difficult to tell, but it doesn't sound like she is being offered a choice in this and that is a very bad thing both in terms of morality and in the likely outcome.

Avery

Ines I think too that A LOT of things would be better if more women were wearing a chastity belt

So are you saying it is not enough that a woman lead a chaste life, she must wear a belt? If that is so could you explain why?

WriterAlexis

Ines

it seems to me that Alexis is very worried about sell belts and much less about the ethics and relationship. If she sells the belt, she won.

Let us never forget the primary mantra of the shopkeeper. The Customer is Always Right.

Hard to sell belts when you are simultaneously pushing your agendas on people who might not want to hear them.

Ines

Avery

Yes, you hit the nail. I think that difference is that you have more faith than me in our equals. Obviously it would be enough if they have a chaste life, but very few would can do it without help. Starting with me, frankly I think I would not win to my weakness without my belt.

Greatcornbow

Ines Yes, you hit the nail. I think that difference is that you have more faith than me in our equals. Obviously it would be enough if they have a chaste life, but very few would can do it without help. Starting with me, frankly I think I would not win to my weakness without my belt.

So you need a KH you know will be strict and determined to keep you secure 24.7.365

Avery

Ines Yes, you hit the nail. I think that difference is that you have more faith than me in our equals. Obviously it would be enough if they have a chaste life, but very few would can do it without help. Starting with me, frankly I think I would not win to my weakness without my belt.

Well you certainly have self-discipline getting into and staying in medical school, plus training for sports.

I've come to believe an important difference between your situation and mine is that you have a steady boyfriend and I do not. I'm certain I would not be able to resist giving in to a "steady", to use an old-fashioned term. In fact my plan is really not to try, once I think I have the right person.

Raquel

Greatcornbow

She, and every girl!!!! 🤣

youdontknowme

WriterAlexis I now have this weird mental image that you are either defending the shopkeeper because you relate to her thanks to your similar name... or that you are her.

Ines

WriterAlexis Hard to sell belts when you are simultaneously pushing your agendas on people who might not want to hear them.

I think that ethics are necessary, it is, for example, similar to a seller of dogs. You can not sell a puppy to the first that appears in the garden.

WriterAlexis

youdontknowme

... or that you are her.

You've found me out.

When I am not advocating for social restructuring to increase the agency of women and other oppressed groups, or a wholesale equitable redistribution of the world's capital, I am busily womaning the registers at your local Chastity Belt Store Inc, hawking devices at each parent/guardian who walks through the door, telling them they need to lock up all of their charges. It's wild life I live.

MissBlossom

WriterAlexis
It's important for your secret identity to both place you in a position to recognize when your super powers are needed and create an image that makes it impossible for people to imagine who you really are.

I am, of course, an expert on this. You can tell by looking at my avatar! lol

The question is, are you a feminist who goes undercover as a patriarchist, or a patriarchist who goes undercover as a feminist?

youdontknowme

WriterAlexis I mean, there have been firefighters who commit arson, and nurses who poison their patients so they can be the hero that saves them. Some people, in their desire to be heroes, create their own villains. The question is, who is the hero and who is the villain in this case. Is it a hero fighting for order and a villain for debauchery? Or a hero fighting for consent and a villain for oppression?

Personally, I am guessing the latter is the more likely example, and the belt dealer is your evil alter ego, locking people into chastity against their will so that hero-you can break them free again.

WriterAlexis

MissBlossom

You can tell by looking at my avatar!

Does that mean Ines is secretly the Empress of France?

are you a feminist who goes undercover as a patriarchist, or a patriarchist who goes undercover as a feminist?

Consider the following:

One day, Zhuangzi fell asleep under a waterfall. He dreamt that he was a butterfly, floating hither and thither on the breeze.

When he awoke, for a split second, he did not know whether he was Zhuangzi who had dreamt he was a butterfly...

or whether he was a butterfly now dreaming he was Zhuangzi.

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