MissBlossom How do you feel about tying people up and beating them?

Is it right?

Is it wrong?

It’s wrong. If you don’t specify it’s abusive.

Difficult to answer without an option that says something about consent...

So your position is that if the daughter agrees it’s ok to belt her?
If you have a daughter you will try convince her to wear a chastity belt?

It’s more a position about the idea that a specific case, this is why I intentionally keep it very simple.

If it is then it’s right. My poll is more about the approach to the theme.

    youdontknowme Absolutely, but when it comes to the family relationships and age differences in question, it is very debatable what consent is valid.

    Sure, there are gray areas, but that doesn't mean consent doesn't exist, and it doesn't make it impossible to make a moral judgment.

    @Laura @Ines and @Renita have expressed that the only consequence of stopping would be disappointing their parents, and in the case of @Ines and @Renita they would lose the option of having their parents as keyholders in the future. Sounds like genuine consent to me.

    @Angelina would have been disinherited. Not genuine consent at all.

    @Christine would have had no place to live. Not genuine consent at all.

    @WriterAlexis would lose having her parents pay for college, which means either not going to college or taking on a bunch of student debt, either of which would have significant life consequences. Questionable at best. Certainly not fully consensual.

    Just because the lines are fuzzy doesn't mean the categories don't exist.

      Milord So your position is that if the daughter agrees it’s ok to belt her?

      IF she is of age, and IF there are no negative consequences, including emotional consequences like guilt trips or withdrawing emotional support, for withdrawing consent, it feels kind of icky to me but I don't see a moral problem.

        MissBlossom This means that you have not a definite opinion. Sometime is right, sometime is wrong. If a friend of you ask suggestion about how to convince her daughter to be in a chastity belt, you will judge the situation and decide case by case if it's ok or not to help her. Am I right?

          Milord This means that you have not a definite opinion.

          I have a definite opinion about many different cases. I don't have the same opinion about every case.

          Sometime is right, sometime is wrong. If a friend of you ask suggestion about how to convince her daughter to be in a chastity belt, you will judge the situation and decide case by case if it's ok or not to help her. Am I right?

          No. I don't see myself helping someone to talk their daughter into it.

          However, if a friend told me that she OFFERED it to her adult daughter without coercion, and her daughter accepted, I could stay friends with her. I don't expect this to ever happen, though! lol

          • Joh likes this.

          I cast my vote based on the most common case for the world as it exists today. I can see circumstances in which that could change, but as it stands I think combining the role of parent/guardian and keyholder just gives one person to mutch concentrated power over another for me to be OK with. Exceptional circumstances can exist and once the child is a financially independent adult a lot of my concerns are alleviated but I answered for the general case.

          MissBlossom @Laura @Ines and @Renita have expressed that the only consequence of stopping would be disappointing their parents,

          I thought @Laura had said that she would face ostracization from not just her parents, but her entire extended family. That seems pretty coercive to me. Given, that was a while ago and I think she said that it has changed more recently so things are probably better now.

          Milord I will make it as simple as possible.

          i myself am a friend of short and simple sentences and answers, because i am definitely not a poetic writer, but that is too simple and above all too generalising for me. i will keep it the way i have always done it here for the last 5 years and look at each case individually

            Angelina Of course its ok, but for some of us it's plainly wrong. Not a case by case consideration, but wrong unless it is proven that it is beneficial to the beltee. For some of you its not, and i respect this. But for some of us its plainly wrong, as it will be closing son into the basement. There can be some situation in which its a good idea? Probably so, but generally speaking it's wrong.

              Milord but for some of us it's plainly wrong.

              i have written my point of view on this, others have a different one. users have also replied that it is absolutely ok, which i don't think is right either. i think any generalising answer in this discussion is wrong

              We are free people and we are free to decude if we want to take the offer to be locked by them. Also we are free to decide if we want to make this offer.

              It's not at me to judge people for having decided in favor of that question.

              We all have the right to live the way we want, as long as it doesn't affact others. In this case it doesn't, so noone has the right to judge or fight it.
              As long as it's all consentual I have no right to interfere.

                Milord So, this is a simple poll about the value of being belted by parents (=parents as KH)

                It's not so simple without context.
                Is it right/wrong in general?
                With consent or not?
                On whose initiative?

                MissBlossom nd @Renita they would lose the option of having their parents as keyholders in the future.

                Right, and @Milord would consider it as blackmail 😃

                  Renita It's not so simple without context.
                  Is it right/wrong in general?
                  With consent or not?
                  On whose initiative?

                  I already explained the sense. I will eventually create another one more more detailed

                  MissBlossom nd @Renita they would lose the option of having their parents as keyholders in the future.

                  Right, and @Milord would consider it as blackmail 😃

                  No. Being a keyholder is not an obbligation.

                  Max9

                  Freedom is very relative when you are completely dependent from someone else, as children are from parents. In a relationship between peers of course there is nothing to discuss about. If it’s free like you say how it happens that there are children belted against their will?

                  Btw freedom is the possibility to refuse without any negative effect, not even emotional. For a lot of children, even disappointment from parents is a very strong leverage, that very often turns into emotional blackmail (“if you refuse to be belted I will not love you anymore”).

                    Milord The way the phrase up to discussion is asked, it's about the general belting. Being belted unvoluntarily is a special case - and not consentual like I implied.
                    So generally speaking: If you're old enough to vote and drink alcohol at the age of 16 here, then you're old enough to makw that desicison.

                      Max9 no, this is specific about parental belting, and no, this is about children that are young and dependent. If they aren't, meaning, if they are independent than the only possible scenario is that they are happy or they asked for it.
                      Also an adult child will most probably live away from parents, making the belt impractical, and or lives with someone else, that will not allow parental control.

                      I don’t generally approve of a parent pushing for or trying to convince their child to wear one.
                      I also don’t agree with there being conditions placed on it by the parent.
                      But, if a child wants it, and no conditions are placed on it other than what the person in chastity has specified, AND the parent is merely keeping the key safe. I’m ok with it.
                      That’s my take on the subject anyway

                        Sasha But, if a child wants it, and no conditions are placed on it other than what the person in chastity has specified, AND the parent is merely keeping the key safe. I’m ok with it.

                        I agree. This is a case where the child sees the benefit of wearing a belt and the parents are able to help. It is much better to trust the parents with a key than to trust a third party in almost any healthy family relationship.

                          Tjc It is much better to trust the parents with a key than to trust a third party in almost any healthy family relationship.

                          i think that's where @Milord and i disagree a lot, because i would agree. a child knows his parents and knows if the parents are trustworthy to take on such an important role

                            Angelina @Tjc
                            Yes we disagree, but I tried to create a poll where everyone opinion can be expressed, not just the one I agree with, so thank you both for expressing your opinion.

                            I also have to say that for me if the child want it havin parents as keyholder is unhealthy but not abusive.