Belted by parents
Milord I find it difficult to use such absolutes for moral judgments.
Oh, mickle is the powerful grace that lies
In herbs, plants, stones, and their true qualities.
For naught so vile that on the earth doth live
But to the earth some special good doth give.
Nor aught so good but, strained from that fair use
Revolts from true birth, stumbling on abuse.
Virtue itself turns vice, being misapplied,
And vice sometime by action dignified.
Why? I mean... Are you against the use of recreational drugs for minors? I am. I recognise that in some case they can be useful.
Does this undermine the general idea I'm against? No.
If a girl tend to touch so much and makes herself bleed, maybe a chastity belt can be a good solution. Or a boy unable to do anything that asks help.
But exceptions are this, exceptions. My stance is very clear.
Milord But exceptions are this, exceptions. My stance is very clear.
And I voted accordingly. But many who just see the absolute claims without the nuance of "generally speaking" might be put off from answering.
From my point of view, I believe that locking children in chastity devices is wrong, regardless of whether the reason is religious beliefs, the desire to protect against bad or ill-considered decisions, the desire to limit masturbation. Yes, there are many other reasons that would push parents to use chastity on their children, but I believe that no reason should push a parent to use such a measure, which is indisputably restrictive, enters an intimate zone, causes embarrassment and I think also causes lower self-esteem.
The situation is different when the child expresses a desire to be in chastity, but in my opinion it should not be based on the use of a chastity device, especially parents, should not succumb to the idea of using a device.
In my opinion, parents should not participate in the use of chastity devices on their children, regardless of whether it is forced or voluntary. The desire to be in chastity using a chastity device should be voluntary, without parental interference, after reaching the age of majority.
I would like to point out that I do not intend to judge people who are locked up by their parents, nor encourage them to oppose them, which is not so easy. This is just my personal opinion.
How do you feel about tying people up and beating them?
Is it right?
Is it wrong?
Difficult to answer without an option that says something about consent...
Danmac This is what I agree a lot.
Danmac child expresses a desire to be in chastity
Quite unlikely, but even if so, I think if they are underage, they should not be in a belt key held by someone else. Wearing chastity belt / device requires lots of commitment and may lead to lots of concerns (such as how others around them view them if their belts get noticed).
Danmac The desire to be in chastity using a chastity device should be voluntary, without parental interference, after reaching the age of majority.
This is something I have thought same. It should be either selflocked, or ideally, have someone who can be trusted without worries of abuse as a keyholder, under mutual consent between adults.
MissBlossom Difficult to answer without an option that says something about consent...
Absolutely, but when it comes to the family relationships and age differences in question, it is very debatable what consent is valid.
It’s wrong. If you don’t specify it’s abusive.
Difficult to answer without an option that says something about consent...
So your position is that if the daughter agrees it’s ok to belt her?
If you have a daughter you will try convince her to wear a chastity belt?
It’s more a position about the idea that a specific case, this is why I intentionally keep it very simple.
If it is then it’s right. My poll is more about the approach to the theme.
youdontknowme Absolutely, but when it comes to the family relationships and age differences in question, it is very debatable what consent is valid.
Sure, there are gray areas, but that doesn't mean consent doesn't exist, and it doesn't make it impossible to make a moral judgment.
@Laura @Ines and @Renita have expressed that the only consequence of stopping would be disappointing their parents, and in the case of @Ines and @Renita they would lose the option of having their parents as keyholders in the future. Sounds like genuine consent to me.
@Angelina would have been disinherited. Not genuine consent at all.
@Christine would have had no place to live. Not genuine consent at all.
@WriterAlexis would lose having her parents pay for college, which means either not going to college or taking on a bunch of student debt, either of which would have significant life consequences. Questionable at best. Certainly not fully consensual.
Just because the lines are fuzzy doesn't mean the categories don't exist.
Milord So your position is that if the daughter agrees it’s ok to belt her?
IF she is of age, and IF there are no negative consequences, including emotional consequences like guilt trips or withdrawing emotional support, for withdrawing consent, it feels kind of icky to me but I don't see a moral problem.
MissBlossom This means that you have not a definite opinion. Sometime is right, sometime is wrong. If a friend of you ask suggestion about how to convince her daughter to be in a chastity belt, you will judge the situation and decide case by case if it's ok or not to help her. Am I right?
Milord This means that you have not a definite opinion.
I have a definite opinion about many different cases. I don't have the same opinion about every case.
Sometime is right, sometime is wrong. If a friend of you ask suggestion about how to convince her daughter to be in a chastity belt, you will judge the situation and decide case by case if it's ok or not to help her. Am I right?
No. I don't see myself helping someone to talk their daughter into it.
However, if a friend told me that she OFFERED it to her adult daughter without coercion, and her daughter accepted, I could stay friends with her. I don't expect this to ever happen, though! lol
I cast my vote based on the most common case for the world as it exists today. I can see circumstances in which that could change, but as it stands I think combining the role of parent/guardian and keyholder just gives one person to mutch concentrated power over another for me to be OK with. Exceptional circumstances can exist and once the child is a financially independent adult a lot of my concerns are alleviated but I answered for the general case.
MissBlossom @Laura @Ines and @Renita have expressed that the only consequence of stopping would be disappointing their parents,
I thought @Laura had said that she would face ostracization from not just her parents, but her entire extended family. That seems pretty coercive to me. Given, that was a while ago and I think she said that it has changed more recently so things are probably better now.
Milord I will make it as simple as possible.
i myself am a friend of short and simple sentences and answers, because i am definitely not a poetic writer, but that is too simple and above all too generalising for me. i will keep it the way i have always done it here for the last 5 years and look at each case individually
Angelina Of course its ok, but for some of us it's plainly wrong. Not a case by case consideration, but wrong unless it is proven that it is beneficial to the beltee. For some of you its not, and i respect this. But for some of us its plainly wrong, as it will be closing son into the basement. There can be some situation in which its a good idea? Probably so, but generally speaking it's wrong.
We are free people and we are free to decude if we want to take the offer to be locked by them. Also we are free to decide if we want to make this offer.
It's not at me to judge people for having decided in favor of that question.
We all have the right to live the way we want, as long as it doesn't affact others. In this case it doesn't, so noone has the right to judge or fight it.
As long as it's all consentual I have no right to interfere.
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Milord So, this is a simple poll about the value of being belted by parents (=parents as KH)
It's not so simple without context.
Is it right/wrong in general?
With consent or not?
On whose initiative?
MissBlossom nd @Renita they would lose the option of having their parents as keyholders in the future.
Right, and @Milord would consider it as blackmail