mekekelo Sara2001 No one here is forcing anyone to have orgasms. Doing that is called rape.

I never talked about forced orgasms or rape. I talked about the freedom of giving up orgasms.

mekekelo What I said is women should be allowed to orgasm whenever they want, because it is their bodies. It is no one elses concern.

Then, if the woman decides that she only wants to orgasm when her partner wants it? Why shouldn't this be her free choice. Free choice means that I can decide against it if I want to.

mekekelo We only live once, our lives on this rock hurdling through space is short. We as human beings should make the best we can of our lives, be the happiest we can be. If someone denies us our human rights because of their sick idea of morality, it takes away a part of our lives.

I do what makes me happy with the partner I have choosen myself. I am not forced to wear my equipment by him but currently are by my father. After marriage I wear my equipment consensually. I know what I am doing and I have the choice to do something else. Wearing the equipment for my husband and giving up the power to get out of it is my free choice. Why should all people live the same lifestyle? What makes you happy is not necessarily what makes others happy. I don't promote this lifestyle to be best for everyone. It is sometimes very difficult. But for me it is also extremely fulfilling. My choice, my life.

mekekelo But no one should be forced to wear it. Period.

I have never said, that someone should be forced. I am strictly against forcing someone to wear it. I think I know best what it means to be a forced wearer.

            Sara2001 You're not understanding what I am saying.
            I am trying to say that women, like any human being has a choice to do whatever they want.
            If you could show where in any of my previous replies I said you couldn't "choose to not have orgasms" that'd be great, because I never said that.

            I specifically said that women should be allowed to orgasm whenever they want. If you really want to not orgasm, then fine, never said you couldn't do that.
            My whole argument here is that no one should be forced into anything they aren't comfortable with.

            You say "What makes you happy doesn't necessarily make others happy", which I agree with, but you make it sound like we disagree on this. If you're happy about your eqipment, then that's fine, but many others aren't, their lives are being controlled and ruined by morally sick parents.

                mekekelo If you could show where in any of my previous replies I said you couldn't "choose to not have orgasms" that'd be great, because I never said that.

                The sentence before this sentence sounds very much like that. This sentence is in any of your posts here.

                mekekelo My whole argument here is that no one should be forced into anything they aren't comfortable with.

                I never said anything against this. The opposite is the case.

                mekekelo but many others aren't, their lives are being controlled and ruined by morally sick parents.

                I kind of agree, but as a forced wearer I have to disagree that forced wearing automatically and always means a ruined life. I don't support forced wearing, but here are many people who got used to their situation in a sense that they are not really happy about their situation but wouldn't call it a ruined and extremely controlled life. The world is not black and white.

                        Sara2001 The sentence before this sentence sounds very much like that. This sentence is in any of your posts here.

                        Where? I can't really find it, could you copy and paste it?

                        Sara2001 I never said anything against this. The opposite is the case.

                        Then what is the issue?

                        Sara2001 I kind of agree, but as a forced wearer I have to disagree that forced wearing automatically and always means a ruined life. I don't support forced wearing, but here are many people who got used to their situation in a sense that they are not really happy about their situation but wouldn't call it a ruined and extremely controlled life. The world is not black and white.

                        Forcing someone to wear something so intrusive, against their own will, that limits their life in such a way will always in one way or another reduce the wearers quality of life. It s therefore immoral.
                        I really wouldn't say that someone getting used to their situation is a good thing to be honest. Many people get used to abusive partners for instance. It isn't their fault either, it is the fault of the person who put them in a bad situation to begin with.

                              mekekelo being controlled and ruined

                              i don't quite agree with the word ruined, i have similarly strict rules as sara, but i would never say that my life is ruined. it's only a part of my life where i have limitations, but there are many things in life that make me happy. i know that wasn't directed at me, but i think sara feels similar

                              Sara2001 but here are many people who got used to their situation in a sense that they are not really happy about their situation but wouldn't call it a ruined

                              thank you, exactly what I mean 🙂

                                    Angelina thank you, exactly what I mean

                                    Thank you. His point of view sounds to black and white to me. His core opinion is correct, but I have the feeling that he doesn't want to see that there is a lot of grey between black and white.

                                        mekekelo What I said is women should be allowed to orgasm whenever they want, because it is their bodies. It is no one elses concern.

                                        Here

                                        mekekelo someone denies us our human rights because of their sick idea of morality, it takes away a part of our lives.

                                        Here

                                        mekekelo I specifically said that women should be allowed to orgasm whenever they want.

                                        Here

                                        All these posts doesn't sound like you see wearing a chastity belt as a valid choice for a woman.

                                                Angelina i don't quite agree with the word ruined, i have similarly strict rules as sara, but i would never say that my life is ruined. it's only a part of my life where i have limitations, but there are many things in life that make me happy. i know that wasn't directed at me, but i think sara feels similar

                                                @mekekelo From my understanding when forced wearing of chastity belt is part of upbringing, I think the situation is indeed quite complex and it is difficult for us who have never had this as our upbringing to understand. My understanding is although they hate the chastity belt and the limitations it give, they understand why their parents have done it, in order to make sexual gratification about their future partners not themselves.

                                                Yes it is different from the norm of society which encourages self gratification etc and yes it does appear quite the challenge but the common denominator I have ascertained from the forum is they would never risk hurting their relationship with their parents no matter how much they struggle with their limitations.

                                                When it comes to voluntarily submitting to not having orgasms in a romantic relationship, it is consensual and the person who is submissive actually has a sense of fulfillment at giving up that right for her partner.

                                                    Sara2001 but I have the feeling that he doesn't want to see that there is a lot of grey between black and white.

                                                    yes it is true, there is a lot between chastity belt yes or no, in between there are many different colours 😉

                                                    Sara2001

                                                    hmm..., it seems that there are also male feminists 😂

                                                    Valadar My understanding is although they hate the chastity belt and the limitations it give, they understand why their parents have done it, in order to make sexual gratification about their future partners not themselves.

                                                    that's exactly how it is, at least from my side 🙂

                                                    Valadar they would never risk hurting their relationship with their parents no matter how much they struggle with their limitations.

                                                    you are right about that too. it is always a matter of what is more valuable to us 🙂

                                                    Valadar When it comes to voluntarily submitting to not having orgasms in a romantic relationship, it is consensual

                                                    and therefore absolutely ok, even if I would never want it myself I can understand @Sara2001 decision

                                                              Sara2001

                                                              Sara2001 All these posts doesn't sound like you see wearing a chastity belt as a valid choice for a woman.

                                                              But none of those examples mean that. In all of those examples I was explicitly refering to someone being forced to wear it.
                                                              I was literally telling you facts. Our bodies are our own, which is a fact. It denies our human rights, which is a fact. Women should be allowed to orgasm whenever they want, which doesn't go conflict with someone who wants to wear a chastity belt.

                                                                  Valadar
                                                                  And my argument is that it is bad upbringing, it is immoral and misguided upbringing. It is illegal and child abuse.
                                                                  I'll say it again and again, it is fine that people wear these things voluntarily.
                                                                  I get that a person forced to wear these things may be afraid to confront their parents. It is not the childs fault, it is the parents fault. The child did not consent, and it is unreasonable to think that the victim should be the one to confront their parents.

                                                                      Angelina

                                                                      Angelina i don't quite agree with the word ruined, i have similarly strict rules as sara, but i would never say that my life is ruined. it's only a part of my life where i have limitations, but there are many things in life that make me happy. i know that wasn't directed at me, but i think sara feels similar

                                                                      I would say it ruins a part of a persons life, because it robs the person of their teenage years, years that could have been spent on getting to know yourself.
                                                                      A big part of life is making mistakes, you learn from your mistakes. Even without making mistakes, the equipment denies a person the ability to get to know their own body, their own limitations and so on and so forth.
                                                                      Even non-sexual things become limited, like swimming, sports, clothing and so on. It limits personal freedom.

                                                                      Of course, one can still live a fulfilling life, still be happy, very happy even. But those things you lose, you won't ever get back. You live only once, so it is a shame that narrow minded parents take that away.

                                                                            Sara2001

                                                                            Not sure her mother would accept to define it now.Maybe more if they have decided it before she started to wear her chastity belt...

                                                                            Angelina now in summer he also sweats and that girls from a certain age have their period is not new

                                                                            So you don't have to tell him everytime why you want more supervised showers?

                                                                            Sara2001 I think I know best what it means to be a forced wearer.

                                                                            Yes,you would be one of the few members here who had to wear it reluctantly,then wear it consensually!

                                                                            Sara2001 I don't support forced wearing, but here are many people who got used to their situation in a sense that they are not really happy about their situation but wouldn't call it a ruined and extremely controlled life.

                                                                            I agree.I don't like to have to wear my chastity belt,but,except it,I'm pretty happy in my life.

                                                                            Angelina i don't quite agree with the word ruined, i have similarly strict rules as sara, but i would never say that my life is ruined. it's only a part of my life where i have limitations, but there are many things in life that make me happy. i know that wasn't directed at me, but i think sara feels similar

                                                                            It's mainly how I feel too.

                                                                            Valadar they would never risk hurting their relationship with their parents no matter how much they struggle with their limitations.

                                                                            I agree,it seems to be the case for several of us here(including me).

                                                                                          mekekelo I get that a person forced to wear these things may be afraid to confront their parents. It is not the childs fault, it is the parents fault.

                                                                                          Agree.

                                                                                          mekekelo The child did not consent, and it is unreasonable to think that the victim should be the one to confront their parents.

                                                                                          Again agree.

                                                                                          mekekelo I would say it ruins a part of a persons life, because it robs the person of their teenage years, years that could have been spent on getting to know yourself.
                                                                                          A big part of life is making mistakes, you learn from your mistakes. Even without making mistakes, the equipment denies a person the ability to get to know their own body, their own limitations and so on and so forth.
                                                                                          Even non-sexual things become limited, like swimming, sports, clothing and so on. It limits personal freedom.

                                                                                          Here, I do not agree fully.
                                                                                          I mean, wear a belt willingly is a way of being protected, and, in my case, for example I like much more the feeling of protection that bring my belt that the things that I could miss. Even wear the belt make me feel more secure, and make me be a better girl in my own opinion.
                                                                                          In my opinion a girl must not play with herself.

                                                                                          About limitations, I agree, if the regime (not the belt) does not allow the girl make sports, or swimming etc... It is clearly abusive.
                                                                                          And clothes... Well with thigh bands you are more limited, but truly the bands when girl is well trained in their usage, it is not necessary wear them a lot of time.

                                                                                                mekekelo I get that a person forced to wear these things may be afraid to confront their parents.

                                                                                                this is not quite true, i am not afraid of confrontation with my father, but i know exactly what the consequences are and can estimate the long-term consequences of my decision

                                                                                                mekekelo

                                                                                                i admit that i am losing something that's true. but i would lose even more if i stopped wearing the belt. i am giving up something today to live a relatively carefree life later

                                                                                                Vanessa So you don't have to tell him everytime why you want more supervised showers?

                                                                                                sometimes yes sometimes no. at 35 degrees it is obvious 🙂

                                                                                                        Angelina

                                                                                                        Similar for me,I only have to tell them when my period start,they know I should have more supervised showers;when it is hot,as you said,it is obvious,no need to explain why I want more supervised shower.

                                                                                                            Vanessa

                                                                                                            with me, i tell my father when i have my period, he usually knows what i want to say

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