Angelina it doesn't change the overall situation.
You don't know it finally if you don't try.
You say you father loves you. If he really loves you he will be angry first but after time he will accept it that it is the wrong way. If he can't accept it he is not really loving you from my point of view.
Sara2001 and stop any support.
He can't stop it as long as you are apprenticeship or education.
And as wrote before, yes he will be disappointed first but if he sees in the long run you sister did fine and has a stable relation as she likes he may find out she is still his daughter which he loves.
For your relation I don't see any difference coming up. The only thing which would change is that Daniel is full in charge. I suppose Daniel will always listen to the recommendation of your father and his father but make the decision on his own.
a_father Now you depend on him, but in ten years...
I am still dependent in a way, because he is then probably my boss at work. 
a_father If he realises, that you are like an elephant and won't forget he may think about what he does.
i won't forget, but that's the point, of course i won't forget that against my will i have to wear these chastity devices, but i also won't forget that he has been raising me alone for 17 years and takes very loving care of me outside the topic of sex and masturbation 
Foxies And thank God(s) that my partner and I are atheists!
I was going to write the same 
Joh With this statement you give pedophiles the legitimacy to act unconscionably in their family.
that's why i say i know it's a very thin ice, on the other hand you're on thin ice with me when you claim to compare my situation to paedophilia
Joh I think with your almost 18 years you do not have the knowledge, the experience or the overview to simply deny it and know it better.
i am not the only person in the world who thinks like this, there are also many who are older and think exactly like this.
besides, i don't let myself be reduced to my age and also not to my chastity equipment.
Joh If he really loves you he will be angry first but after time he will accept it that it is the wrong way.
he will forgive me because he loves me that's true, but he won't think it's the wrong way to go
a_father and her girlfriend
that's actually not true either, my girlfriend is not restricted, she can have an orgasm at any time, but she's not allowed to get it from me. we could have done without the belt, but then we would have had almost no privacy.
i don't want to have anything more to do with my mother. she left me when i was a baby, i don't even know if she's still alive and it didn't care me, she's a stranger to me. incidentally, that's abuse for me.
Angelina on the other hand you're on thin ice with me when you claim to compare my situation to paedophilia
Did I? No I didn't!
I pointed out the consequences which rise up with your argument you use to break the law.
Angelina i am not the only person in the world who thinks like this,
I agree with that but it doesn't mater. You live in Germany and the German law applies. If you are in a different country it could be legal. This is all was I am talking about.
I do not reduce you to your age or your chastity equipment. I am trying to show you the impact of your view and that you are putting yourselves above the law.
I can follow your train of thought and understand why you compromise. But call it what it is and don't push some morality to legitimise it. That's just trying to sugar-coat it.
As far as I know he definitely loves @Sara2001 as person as she is.
And they continue talking about everything. More than I have done in my past but I am improving 
a_father This is the reason, why I have problems believing things I read here. Parents must always have in mind, that children become adults and exacly these children later demand accountability from them.
Daddy, why r u so boring?
Joh I agree with that but it doesn't mater. You live in Germany and the German law applies. If you are in a different country it could be legal. This is all was I am talking about.
and i live in my father's house and there our family laws apply, that's what i mean when i say that there can be differences between my behaviour in public (according to the german laws) and my behaviour in PRIVATE.
Joh and don't push some morality to legitimise it.
it is quite simple, his house has its rules. if i own a house later, my house has my rules. I can discuss everything with my father (and I do it very often), but he makes the final decision.
Christine Daddy, why r u so boring?
a_father when the children of today make public what has happened to them.
i'm trying to ask in a different way, what exactly do i get out of it ? i'm not a person who seeks revenge
Angelina What, if your girfriend breaks with you and makes it public? What, if you have other problems with your father in future? The safest thing about the future is that it hasn't happened yet. What you take for granted today may no longer apply in the future. When I try to look back at myself at the age of 17, I find that many things have changed my mind.
Maybe you need to protect your own daughter from your father. In such a case, you will always prefer your own child to the father
Ines it would add more pressure to the boiler, so he will face a lioness later
I agree!
Ines It avoids we arrive pure for our loved man, (and he does not deserve it) , it drives to a selfish and brat behavior ( I want it so I have to get it, when we must await calmly to achieve some things), it will drive us to bad behavior ( and in this sense all my friends and girls here say the same, orgasms are very pleasurable and addictive).
I don't agree about the fact it always have such impact(it can,but far from always be the case),but I understand your logic.
Ines my sister, (for use a example in my home), is failing as woman, firstly to herself.
Which doesn't mean she would not have a happy life and marriage.
Sara2001 She hates her equipment more than I do, but she would never set her free access to her private parts above our family.
Same for several of us here.
Sara2001 We are all very loving and close. We all take care of each other
Necessary for wearing it reluctantly,I think.
It doesn't necessarily become excessive.I think it is pretty rare.
Angelina and i live in my father's house and there our family laws apply, that's what i mean when i say that there can be differences between my behaviour in public (according to the german laws) and my behaviour in PRIVATE.
Yes, I know and I know you accepted it. But this was not the point. Your family rules can never be an excuse to break the law which applies to you. In worst case you have to face the consequences.
