Tobbe

thank you for the answer, of course it will take some time to think about it, that's why i want to give camryn more time to concretise this consideration than she herself wants. if we should really decide to do it, it will of course only work if we make a written contract, because there would certainly be situations in which she would absolutely want to get out of the belt and i as an involuntary wearer can understand it better than many others.

Max9

thank you for the answer, it's difficult for me to formulate what it's about. it's not that camryn wants to wear the belt, it's more that she often feels guilty that she's allowed to do something i'm not. and even though i never want to admit it. it hurts a bit when i have to be with my father and she masturbates in the next room and i don't know if it would be better if we have one-sided sex. she herself says she couldn't enjoy it enough if the pleasure was one-sided, but on the other hand i know that if we don't use a belt, the situation will happen at some point. how exactly it would be arranged, we'll talk about that if we decide to, i'm just a bit emotionally overwhelmed at the moment.

Raziel

thank you for the answer. camryn didn't have much time to think about it, she got the key from my father and talked to me about it afterwards, but i agree with you, it needs more time and we will have to talk a lot more. it is of course very difficult for me because i wonder if it is even possible, as someone who has a negative attitude towards the belt, to be a keyholder at all ?

Sara2001

yes we need a system that's true. i have two ideas. the first would be to do it on the basis of a contract so that unpleasant situations can be clarified quickly, the second idea would be to set up a kind of trial period. i was thinking about doing it for maybe 2 to 3 months for the time being and then analysing whether it can work permanently. but as i said, i'm still very unsure.

Tonyand03 have you considered giving it back to your father?

no, camryn's offer would only apply if i hold the keys, she doesn't want to give anyone else that trust, it's also a different situation to before because it would mean permanent wear

Tonyand03 She has certainly demonstrated her love for you.

that's right and no matter what we decide in the end, i will never forget her making me this offer. 🙂

                Angelina Both of you should think about what you can win and what you can loose. I think it's all about risks. I would suggest to make a pro and cons list and to rate the pros and cons with A (important), B, C (unimportant). Then you have a visible Basis.

                    Angelina I am an involuntary carrier myself and I do not know whether I can fulfill this task.

                    It doesn't make a difference.

                      Angelina

                      I'm very surprised he decided it!Even if the fact you still have your chastity belt on make his main purpose still working.And yes,it would solve the hygiene problem during possible vacations.

                      From my own experiences I can say one-sided sex is still very pleasant,but yes,awfully frustrating for the wearer.So it is a mix of pleasant sensation(feeling your girlfriend body react to what you do,making her orgasm...),and unpleasant ones(mainly frustration,not possible to do it "fully"...).From her side she could easily like it,of course,but feel a bit frustrated and sad to not make you feel it too,even maybe guilty to enjoy something you can't.

                      If you choose the second opportunity,would it means she would lose her possibility to masturbate until you're married too?It can be very hard for her to manage it,she should understand it very well.Even if I can understand her opinion.

                      You must have long talks again,yes.And about more technical parts too.How would you do the training(even if she still wear it,it would be different)and care enough about the hygiene,as you can't meet during the week,for example?

                      About being a keyholder,it is difficult to answer.I think it is an unusual situation,and can be very hard to manage.How would you react and feel if she can't stand to not be able to masturbate anymore and ask you desperately to open her belt?When you would be alone together,are your sure you would not use the key to open her chastity belt and have sex together?Personally,I don't think i could do it with Emilie.

                      I can understand her idea and understand you hesitate.Maybe a trial period would help you know how you can manage it,with several talks again after it.

                      Tobbe I think when one thinks it should remain locked, but the other wants to open.
                      Then it is not possible to "blame" anyone else.

                      I agree,it can lead to argument,and resentment...

                      Max9 But wesring a belt nearly permanently is something different as wearing it occasionally...

                      Yes,I'm not sure she knows exactly how it would be hard to wear it permanently...

                      Raziel discuss rules and expectations before deciding yourself.

                      Good advice.

                      Sara2001 If you don't give it to her, it will have a very severe impact on your relationship. If not anything is 200% clear, it can destroy a lot.

                      I agree,it is risked.

                      Sara2001 You need some kind of compensation or system or procedure that ensures that she doesn't get mad on you when you don't open her if she asks.

                      Any idea?

                      Sara2001 If you like the idea, it's a big chance, if not, it's a big risk.

                      Good summary.

                      Angelina if we make a written contract

                      😉

                      Angelina there would certainly be situations in which she would absolutely want to get out of the belt

                      Do you think a written contract would help a lot in this situation?

                      Angelina she often feels guilty that she's allowed to do something i'm not

                      Understandable,Emilie feel similar,often.

                      Angelina i'm just a bit emotionally overwhelmed at the moment.

                      Logical!

                      Angelina the first would be to do it on the basis of a contract so that unpleasant situations can be clarified quickly, the second idea would be to set up a kind of trial period.

                      Why not a trial,then a written contract about it,based on what happened during the trial period?

                      Sara2001 I would suggest to make a pro and cons list and to rate the pros and cons with A (important), B, C (unimportant)

                      It could help,yes.

                                                  Vanessa Any idea?

                                                  Maybe some kind of writing agreement that includes the reasons why she should not be opened can help. She can give it to her to re-read it.

                                                  Maybe in the beginning a waiting period can be helpful. So when she asked for an opening, there should be a waiting time, like 3 days, if she still wants it, she gets her opening.

                                                  If both feel it should be 24/7 with no breaks except for cleaning, they could make cleaning bigger, like with more paying and bring nice to her, but still not going to far.
                                                  It can only work if both want it.

                                                      Sara2001 Both of you should think about what you can win and what you can loose. I think it's all about risks. I would suggest to make a pro and cons list and to rate the pros and cons with A (important), B, C (unimportant). Then you have a visible Basis.

                                                      good idea, i think we will do that 🙂

                                                      Vanessa If you choose the second opportunity,would it means she would lose her possibility to masturbate until you're married too?It can be very hard for her to manage it,she should understand it very well.Even if I can understand her opinion.

                                                      yes, it would mean that she wears the belt just like me, i.e. permanently and only opened for hygienic reasons.

                                                      Vanessa You must have long talks again,yes.And about more technical parts too.How would you do the training(even if she still wear it,it would be different)and care enough about the hygiene,as you can't meet during the week,for example?

                                                      I will write an update below in my answer where I will answer that

                                                      Vanessa About being a keyholder,it is difficult to answer.I think it is an unusual situation,and can be very hard to manage.How would you react and feel if she can't stand to not be able to masturbate anymore and ask you desperately to open her belt?When you would be alone together,are your sure you would not use the key to open her chastity belt and have sex together?Personally,I don't think i could do it with Emilie.

                                                      therefore the only possibility would be to do it on the basis of a contract, so that we do not relate a current situation to a general situation (difficult to explain, I hope you understand what I mean)

                                                      Vanessa Do you think a written contract would help a lot in this situation?

                                                      i think so, if camryn stands behind the contract as much as i would it would be a solution

                                                      so a short update because otherwise I can no longer sleep peacefully😉

                                                      yesterday i spoke to camryn a little longer. We only spoke on the phone, but it was almost 3 hours and we talked again about your motivation and your feelings. she still stands by the offer to wear the belt, but she also knows how hard it is for me. i think we just need more time. to take some pressure off the situation, we will sign a somewhat weaker contract the next weekend. this contract shall have the following content. she always wears the belt when she is with me, without a break and i get the keys. in most cases that will only be on the weekend, i.e. a maximum of 48 hours, but it can also be, for example, if she is with me during the summer holidays or if we should go on vacation that it lasts for 2 to 3 weeks. that would be the ultimate test (I'll write details as soon as the contract is ready). the whole thing has a few advantages. for one thing, we won't have one-sided sex then. it is clear to us that we are missing out on a chance but it has the advantage that i am not frustrated and camryn has no guilty feelings. as soon as camryn is no longer with me i give her the key back. She can then masturbate freely during the week and doesn't need to have a bad conscience because I don't know when she masturbates, so it doesn't hurt me either. After the summer vacation we will analyze the whole thing and then maybe set up a 24/7 contract, but I think that we have found a solution that gives us some time to think about the idea in peace and that takes the pressure off us

                                                                  I think this is a good way to try it. I hope it gives you the information you want and need to decide whatever is good for you.
                                                                  Maybe after a while you can give her the key in a closed envelope. You can tell her that it is perfectly fine to open it and that you will not be displeased by her if she opens the belt, but that you want to give her a chance to show you that she is really willing to wear it for you 24/7. So you would just give her an option without force and she can learn to live with the belt without a keyholder around.

                                                                    Sara2001 hmm that would be kinda cruel... like giving someone a piece of chocolate without the permition to eat it. I wouldn't do that. I'd rather give her a keysafe that only you can open via app fof the case there's am emergency wgen you're not there. It's way mlre humane.

                                                                        Sara2001

                                                                        the idea is good, i will keep it in mind for the future. in the beginning (and that's why we will start with the 3 weeks holiday) i think it is better if i am with her. especially in the beginning it is very hard and i don't think she would keep it up if i am not with her.

                                                                        Max9

                                                                        the idea is also good, perhaps with a number code that i give her in an emergency or after a conversation.

                                                                        short update
                                                                        currently i am working on a contract for the times when she is with me, i don't want to say too much yet because we will talk about it calmly on the weekend and points can still change. it will be interesting when she signs the contract and i will supervise her showering on saturday and/or sunday morning (ok that sounds scary to myself now) 😂

                                                                              Angelina supervise her showering on saturday and/or sunday morning (ok that sounds scary to myself now)

                                                                              Can you trust her or will you wash her by yourself? 😉
                                                                              This could be dangerous for you 😂

                                                                                  Angelina and i will supervise her showering on saturday and/or sunday morning (ok that sounds scary to myself now)

                                                                                  It will definitely be challenging for you because that's hell of a tease for you

                                                                                      Joh Can you trust her or will you wash her by yourself? 😉
                                                                                      This could be dangerous for you 😂

                                                                                      no, we want to find out what it would feel like for her if she lived like me. so she can shower herself but i watch her. the bigger danger is that i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me. 😂

                                                                                      Max9 It will definitely be challenging for you because that's hell of a tease for you

                                                                                      i know i will have to exercise a lot of discipline, just like camryn. 😂

                                                                                            Angelina i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me

                                                                                            That I had in my mind if you wash her but is it already a big danger to see her .... challenging

                                                                                                Sara2001 Maybe some kind of writing agreement that includes the reasons why she should not be opened can help. She can give it to her to re-read it.

                                                                                                Yes,in this case,it can be useful.

                                                                                                Sara2001 Maybe in the beginning a waiting period can be helpful. So when she asked for an opening, there should be a waiting time, like 3 days, if she still wants it, she gets her opening.

                                                                                                Good idea too.A few days could make her able to manage her urges better and not need to open it.

                                                                                                Sara2001 still not going to far.

                                                                                                It could be a bit hard for them,I think.

                                                                                                Angelina yes, it would mean that she wears the belt just like me, i.e. permanently and only opened for hygienic reasons.

                                                                                                Big step and way harder than how she is used to wear the belt.Do you think she guess well how hard it would be for her to stop masturbating completely for years?

                                                                                                Angelina (difficult to explain, I hope you understand what I mean)

                                                                                                I think I can understand,yes.

                                                                                                Angelina if camryn stands behind the contract as much as i would it would be a solution

                                                                                                But does she like to use contracts to make the rules very clear and precise as much as you like it?

                                                                                                Angelina i think we just need more time.

                                                                                                Probably,yes.

                                                                                                Angelina she always wears the belt when she is with me, without a break and i get the keys. in most cases that will only be on the weekend, i.e. a maximum of 48 hours, but it can also be, for example, if she is with me during the summer holidays or if we should go on vacation that it lasts for 2 to 3 weeks.

                                                                                                Not too bad.It would make her start it slowly,and,after some times,could try if she can mange it on longer duration,without breaks for masturbation,and so,can guess if she's able to wear it permanently during a few years or not.But you should know well,that even if she think she's ready and you start the permanently wearing,she would have times when she would truly want it off,even if she would be a willingly wearer...

                                                                                                Sara2001 Maybe after a while you can give her the key in a closed envelope. You can tell her that it is perfectly fine to open it and that you will not be displeased by her if she opens the belt, but that you want to give her a chance to show you that she is really willing to wear it for you 24/7. So you would just give her an option without force and she can learn to live with the belt without a keyholder around.

                                                                                                Or allow her to use her emergency key for it,too.

                                                                                                Max9 I'd rather give her a keysafe that only you can open via app fof the case there's am emergency wgen you're not there.

                                                                                                A safe can be a good solution for an emergency key,yes.Even if she should be able to contact @Angelina when she needs it.

                                                                                                Angelina in the beginning (and that's why we will start with the 3 weeks holiday) i think it is better if i am with her. especially in the beginning it is very hard and i don't think she would keep it up if i am not with her.

                                                                                                I think you're right about it.

                                                                                                Angelina currently i am working on a contract for the times when she is with me, i don't want to say too much yet because we will talk about it calmly on the weekend and points can still change.

                                                                                                Would you summarize a bit for telling us the main points,or would you perfect to keep it private?

                                                                                                Angelina we want to find out what it would feel like for her if she lived like me. so she can shower herself

                                                                                                Logical she showers herself,if she wants to experience your situation,yes.

                                                                                                Angelina the bigger danger is that i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me. 😂

                                                                                                Sure!

                                                                                                Angelina i know i will have to exercise a lot of discipline, just like camryn. 😂

                                                                                                Do you think you would succeed?

                                                                                                                                Joh That I had in my mind if you wash her but is it already a big danger to see her .... challenging

                                                                                                                                an extremely big challenge, but i try to stay disciplined 😂

                                                                                                                                Vanessa Big step and way harder than how she is used to wear the belt.Do you think she guess well how hard it would be for her to stop masturbating completely for years?

                                                                                                                                difficult to answer. sometimes she decides very spontaneously and out of her gut. that's why we have so many conversations.

                                                                                                                                Vanessa But does she like to use contracts to make the rules very clear and precise as much as you like it?

                                                                                                                                in this case, yes, she sees the necessity

                                                                                                                                Vanessa But you should know well,that even if she think she's ready and you start the permanently wearing,she would have times when she would truly want it off,even if she would be a willingly wearer...

                                                                                                                                i know that's why we need a little more time to talk about it. it's not an overnight decision.

                                                                                                                                Vanessa Would you summarize a bit for telling us the main points,or would you perfect to keep it private?

                                                                                                                                I'll write an update below 😉

                                                                                                                                Short update
                                                                                                                                Camryn and I had another long talk yesterday. We talked again about all the advantages and disadvantages of wearing the chastity belt. At the end of the conversation we came to a contract that includes the following

                                                                                                                                Point 1
                                                                                                                                Camryn wears the belt when she is with me, permanently while she is with me regardless of the length of her stay. I keep the key during the time. As soon as she is no longer with me, she gets the keys back

                                                                                                                                Point 2
                                                                                                                                Since mastubation is not allowed, I will monitor you while you shower (I will write something about it in a moment)

                                                                                                                                point 3
                                                                                                                                Mastubation is still allowed as long as it is not with me.

                                                                                                                                That all sounds very sober now, but believe me the discussion was very emotional and intense. The contract will run until August 17th (then the summer holidays will end and Camryn will go back to school). Until then, we want to clarify how we should proceed. Of course, the contract is even more detailed, I only write the most important things here

                                                                                                                                The supervised showering today was, by the way, very funny. Fortunately, it was very relaxed, even if I found it difficult not to touch her intimate areas, but I didn't want to make it harder for her than necessary 😉

                                                                                                                                            so, a quick update

                                                                                                                                            the first weekend is over and thanks to the holiday today, camryn has spent almost 72 hours in the belt. i would like to say that it was difficult but also very nice. camryn is very disciplined about it and to be honest i had to watch myself more than camryn. more than once i wanted to unlock her 😉 well, she got the keys and is now back at home. i don't know if she masturbates, but i think she deserves it and i assured her that she doesn't have to feel guilty.

                                                                                                                                            as i have already written the contract goes until august 17th, after that we will see, but it is also clear that there are only 3 possibilities. either we extend the contract to permanent chastity until marriage, we leave the contract as it is now or we leave camryn's belt behind us for good, which will probably lead to one-sided sex and the question if camryn can enjoy it without guilt.

                                                                                                                                              Angelina i know that's why we need a little more time to talk about it. it's not an overnight decision.

                                                                                                                                              Yes,you both have to think a lot about it.Trying it a bit before making it permanent use is a good idea.

                                                                                                                                              Angelina Short update
                                                                                                                                              Camryn and I had another long talk yesterday. We talked again about all the advantages and disadvantages of wearing the chastity belt. At the end of the conversation we came to a contract that includes the following

                                                                                                                                              Point 1
                                                                                                                                              Camryn wears the belt when she is with me, permanently while she is with me regardless of the length of her stay. I keep the key during the time. As soon as she is no longer with me, she gets the keys back

                                                                                                                                              Point 2
                                                                                                                                              Since mastubation is not allowed, I will monitor you while you shower (I will write something about it in a moment)

                                                                                                                                              point 3
                                                                                                                                              Mastubation is still allowed as long as it is not with me.

                                                                                                                                              The main points are covered,it is a good base for the trying.And she can know a bit how she would feel.

                                                                                                                                              Have you talked about spending two or three weeks together?I think it is very important,it would make her know if she can manage permanent wearing.

                                                                                                                                              Angelina The supervised showering today was, by the way, very funny. Fortunately, it was very relaxed,

                                                                                                                                              Good it was good for you both,and that you managed it well too!

                                                                                                                                              Angelina the first weekend is over and thanks to the holiday today, camryn has spent almost 72 hours in the belt. i would like to say that it was difficult but also very nice. camryn is very disciplined about it and to be honest i had to watch myself more than camryn. more than once i wanted to unlock her 😉

                                                                                                                                              She never asked you to unlock her?

                                                                                                                                              I understand it was not easy for you.

                                                                                                                                              Angelina there are only 3 possibilities

                                                                                                                                              Any guess about which one you would use?

                                                                                                                                                          Vanessa Have you talked about spending two or three weeks together?I think it is very important,it would make her know if she can manage permanent wearing.

                                                                                                                                                          I agree with that. Very important.

                                                                                                                                                          Angelina well, she got the keys and is now back at home.

                                                                                                                                                          Do you know if she opens the belt at home for more then cleaning? I think she needs experience in long term wearing.

                                                                                                                                                                Vanessa Have you talked about spending two or three weeks together?I think it is very important,it would make her know if she can manage permanent wearing.

                                                                                                                                                                as i said we will be spending 3 weeks together this summer, but at the moment camryn is still at school.

                                                                                                                                                                this will be the dress rehearsal 😉

                                                                                                                                                                Vanessa She never asked you to unlock her?

                                                                                                                                                                no, she was very disciplined 😉

                                                                                                                                                                Vanessa Any guess about which one you would use?

                                                                                                                                                                no idea, that's why we want to take the time until mid august 😉

                                                                                                                                                                Sara2001 Do you know if she opens the belt at home for more then cleaning?

                                                                                                                                                                she has the belt and the keys. of course, she can train at home and try to wear the belt as long as possible, but as we have often found out, everyone without a key holder will eventually give up at some point. 😉