Should I become a key holder ?

Angelina

I don't even know where exactly to start. I actually only wanted to write a short post about my girlfriend's birthday, but then the events rolled over. Well, yesterday was camryn's birthday and it was a very nice celebration with a lot of food😉 she also liked the presents very much. In the evening my father had a very special gift, namely the key to camryn's belt. He said she deserved it because she showed a lot of loyalty to me and behaved excellently as a future daughter-in-law. It is time to give something back to her. It also gives us more options if i want to stay at camryn for a few days, it's easier now, even for a vacation this summer

We were of course very happy, but camryn wanted to talk to me. She said that my father gave us two options. The first possibility is that we use it and camryn take the virginity. It would be very nice but also very frustrating for me. The second possibility is that she locks the belt and gives me the keys. I was a bit surprised but she said to me that she often has a bad conscience about masturbating and she thinks that an equal relationship also means that both have the same opportunities.

I then spoke to her for a very long time again intensively about what it means if she would wear the belt just like me. We then decided next weekend when we see each other again (during the week it will be difficult) to talk about it. My question is more whether it is possible for me to be a key holder. I am an involuntary carrier myself and I do not know whether I can fulfill this task. As I said, nothing has been decided yet and there are still long discussions going on with camryn, but hmmm ..... I'm pretty confused, on the one hand I didn't expect my father to give camryn the key and on the other hand I didn't expected that camryn will continue to wear the belt to support me.

I hope you understand what I mean, I'm really confused because the situation has changed a lot

Max9

Angelina . I was a bit surprised but she said to me that she often has a bad conscience about masturbating and she thinks that an equal relationship also means that both have the same opportunities.

If I didn't knew it better I would declare you as a troll now

Well, t's definitely a cute gesture of her. But wesring a belt nearly permanently is something different as wearing it occasionally... I mean - you can grant her a few orgasms from time to time, but there's probably still a lot of time when you don't see each other. Also, you need to mane sure that she can be set free in the case of emergencies. Maybe she should have a keysafe with a lock with her. You can either open the lock via app or via number combination that you send her via signal / sms.

Renita

Angelina I am an involuntary carrier myself and I do not know whether I can fulfill this task.

It doesn't make a difference.

Vanessa

Angelina

I'm very surprised he decided it!Even if the fact you still have your chastity belt on make his main purpose still working.And yes,it would solve the hygiene problem during possible vacations.

From my own experiences I can say one-sided sex is still very pleasant,but yes,awfully frustrating for the wearer.So it is a mix of pleasant sensation(feeling your girlfriend body react to what you do,making her orgasm...),and unpleasant ones(mainly frustration,not possible to do it "fully"...).From her side she could easily like it,of course,but feel a bit frustrated and sad to not make you feel it too,even maybe guilty to enjoy something you can't.

If you choose the second opportunity,would it means she would lose her possibility to masturbate until you're married too?It can be very hard for her to manage it,she should understand it very well.Even if I can understand her opinion.

You must have long talks again,yes.And about more technical parts too.How would you do the training(even if she still wear it,it would be different)and care enough about the hygiene,as you can't meet during the week,for example?

About being a keyholder,it is difficult to answer.I think it is an unusual situation,and can be very hard to manage.How would you react and feel if she can't stand to not be able to masturbate anymore and ask you desperately to open her belt?When you would be alone together,are your sure you would not use the key to open her chastity belt and have sex together?Personally,I don't think i could do it with Emilie.

I can understand her idea and understand you hesitate.Maybe a trial period would help you know how you can manage it,with several talks again after it.

Tobbe I think when one thinks it should remain locked, but the other wants to open.
Then it is not possible to "blame" anyone else.

I agree,it can lead to argument,and resentment...

Max9 But wesring a belt nearly permanently is something different as wearing it occasionally...

Yes,I'm not sure she knows exactly how it would be hard to wear it permanently...

Raziel discuss rules and expectations before deciding yourself.

Good advice.

Sara2001 If you don't give it to her, it will have a very severe impact on your relationship. If not anything is 200% clear, it can destroy a lot.

I agree,it is risked.

Sara2001 You need some kind of compensation or system or procedure that ensures that she doesn't get mad on you when you don't open her if she asks.

Any idea?

Sara2001 If you like the idea, it's a big chance, if not, it's a big risk.

Good summary.

Angelina if we make a written contract

😉

Angelina there would certainly be situations in which she would absolutely want to get out of the belt

Do you think a written contract would help a lot in this situation?

Angelina she often feels guilty that she's allowed to do something i'm not

Understandable,Emilie feel similar,often.

Angelina i'm just a bit emotionally overwhelmed at the moment.

Logical!

Angelina the first would be to do it on the basis of a contract so that unpleasant situations can be clarified quickly, the second idea would be to set up a kind of trial period.

Why not a trial,then a written contract about it,based on what happened during the trial period?

Sara2001 I would suggest to make a pro and cons list and to rate the pros and cons with A (important), B, C (unimportant)

It could help,yes.

Tobbe

It is a big responsibility to have the keys.
Are you prepared for it and will it not be a problem in the future?
I think when one thinks it should remain locked, but the other wants to open.
Then it is not possible to "blame" anyone else. There are two of you who will now have to take responsibility and consequence of made decisions. Now I think you two can handle it, and solve it in the best way, but a little time to think is probably necessary.

Angelina

Tobbe

thank you for the answer, of course it will take some time to think about it, that's why i want to give camryn more time to concretise this consideration than she herself wants. if we should really decide to do it, it will of course only work if we make a written contract, because there would certainly be situations in which she would absolutely want to get out of the belt and i as an involuntary wearer can understand it better than many others.

Max9

thank you for the answer, it's difficult for me to formulate what it's about. it's not that camryn wants to wear the belt, it's more that she often feels guilty that she's allowed to do something i'm not. and even though i never want to admit it. it hurts a bit when i have to be with my father and she masturbates in the next room and i don't know if it would be better if we have one-sided sex. she herself says she couldn't enjoy it enough if the pleasure was one-sided, but on the other hand i know that if we don't use a belt, the situation will happen at some point. how exactly it would be arranged, we'll talk about that if we decide to, i'm just a bit emotionally overwhelmed at the moment.

Raziel

thank you for the answer. camryn didn't have much time to think about it, she got the key from my father and talked to me about it afterwards, but i agree with you, it needs more time and we will have to talk a lot more. it is of course very difficult for me because i wonder if it is even possible, as someone who has a negative attitude towards the belt, to be a keyholder at all ?

Sara2001

yes we need a system that's true. i have two ideas. the first would be to do it on the basis of a contract so that unpleasant situations can be clarified quickly, the second idea would be to set up a kind of trial period. i was thinking about doing it for maybe 2 to 3 months for the time being and then analysing whether it can work permanently. but as i said, i'm still very unsure.

Tonyand03 have you considered giving it back to your father?

no, camryn's offer would only apply if i hold the keys, she doesn't want to give anyone else that trust, it's also a different situation to before because it would mean permanent wear

Tonyand03 She has certainly demonstrated her love for you.

that's right and no matter what we decide in the end, i will never forget her making me this offer. 🙂

Raziel

You definitely need more time to think about this. I would vote, no (unless you want to try it out), don't hold the key, because you mentioned how unsure you were. If you have doubts, don't do it, especially if you don't like wearing the chastity belt. I wouldn't think its fair if you controlled someone else's freedom if you desire to be free. The idea is cute and Camryn must have given it alot of thought to make it fair for you.

Plus, if you change your mind, ask if you'll be able to visit Camryn in case she has an emergency to take the belt off. Sounds interesting, but discuss rules and expectations before deciding yourself.

Sara2001

I would suggest ask yourself what will happen if she asks or begs you for the key. This was a very important point in my relationship.

If you give it to her, you are not really a keyholder and she doesn't really feel what you feel. If you don't give it to her, it will have a very severe impact on your relationship. If not anything is 200% clear, it can destroy a lot.
You need some kind of compensation or system or procedure that ensures that she doesn't get mad on you when you don't open her if she asks.
If you like the idea, it's a big chance, if not, it's a big risk.

Tonyand03

I guess you must have thought of this, but just in case... If Camryn is thinking of wearing the belt on a similar basis to you, and you're understandably reluctant to hold the key, have you considered giving it back to your father?
You already know he is a responsible (if strict!) keyholder.
It would increase his respect for you both (though he seems to approve of Camryn well already).
You would both be on a more equal level.
It may be possible to negotiate some changes in your situation (live together full time? get rid of the bra?)
She has certainly demonstrated her love for you.

Sara2001

Angelina Both of you should think about what you can win and what you can loose. I think it's all about risks. I would suggest to make a pro and cons list and to rate the pros and cons with A (important), B, C (unimportant). Then you have a visible Basis.

Angelina

Sara2001 Both of you should think about what you can win and what you can loose. I think it's all about risks. I would suggest to make a pro and cons list and to rate the pros and cons with A (important), B, C (unimportant). Then you have a visible Basis.

good idea, i think we will do that 🙂

Vanessa If you choose the second opportunity,would it means she would lose her possibility to masturbate until you're married too?It can be very hard for her to manage it,she should understand it very well.Even if I can understand her opinion.

yes, it would mean that she wears the belt just like me, i.e. permanently and only opened for hygienic reasons.

Vanessa You must have long talks again,yes.And about more technical parts too.How would you do the training(even if she still wear it,it would be different)and care enough about the hygiene,as you can't meet during the week,for example?

I will write an update below in my answer where I will answer that

Vanessa About being a keyholder,it is difficult to answer.I think it is an unusual situation,and can be very hard to manage.How would you react and feel if she can't stand to not be able to masturbate anymore and ask you desperately to open her belt?When you would be alone together,are your sure you would not use the key to open her chastity belt and have sex together?Personally,I don't think i could do it with Emilie.

therefore the only possibility would be to do it on the basis of a contract, so that we do not relate a current situation to a general situation (difficult to explain, I hope you understand what I mean)

Vanessa Do you think a written contract would help a lot in this situation?

i think so, if camryn stands behind the contract as much as i would it would be a solution

so a short update because otherwise I can no longer sleep peacefully😉

yesterday i spoke to camryn a little longer. We only spoke on the phone, but it was almost 3 hours and we talked again about your motivation and your feelings. she still stands by the offer to wear the belt, but she also knows how hard it is for me. i think we just need more time. to take some pressure off the situation, we will sign a somewhat weaker contract the next weekend. this contract shall have the following content. she always wears the belt when she is with me, without a break and i get the keys. in most cases that will only be on the weekend, i.e. a maximum of 48 hours, but it can also be, for example, if she is with me during the summer holidays or if we should go on vacation that it lasts for 2 to 3 weeks. that would be the ultimate test (I'll write details as soon as the contract is ready). the whole thing has a few advantages. for one thing, we won't have one-sided sex then. it is clear to us that we are missing out on a chance but it has the advantage that i am not frustrated and camryn has no guilty feelings. as soon as camryn is no longer with me i give her the key back. She can then masturbate freely during the week and doesn't need to have a bad conscience because I don't know when she masturbates, so it doesn't hurt me either. After the summer vacation we will analyze the whole thing and then maybe set up a 24/7 contract, but I think that we have found a solution that gives us some time to think about the idea in peace and that takes the pressure off us

Sara2001

Vanessa Any idea?

Maybe some kind of writing agreement that includes the reasons why she should not be opened can help. She can give it to her to re-read it.

Maybe in the beginning a waiting period can be helpful. So when she asked for an opening, there should be a waiting time, like 3 days, if she still wants it, she gets her opening.

If both feel it should be 24/7 with no breaks except for cleaning, they could make cleaning bigger, like with more paying and bring nice to her, but still not going to far.
It can only work if both want it.

Vanessa

Sara2001 Maybe some kind of writing agreement that includes the reasons why she should not be opened can help. She can give it to her to re-read it.

Yes,in this case,it can be useful.

Sara2001 Maybe in the beginning a waiting period can be helpful. So when she asked for an opening, there should be a waiting time, like 3 days, if she still wants it, she gets her opening.

Good idea too.A few days could make her able to manage her urges better and not need to open it.

Sara2001 still not going to far.

It could be a bit hard for them,I think.

Angelina yes, it would mean that she wears the belt just like me, i.e. permanently and only opened for hygienic reasons.

Big step and way harder than how she is used to wear the belt.Do you think she guess well how hard it would be for her to stop masturbating completely for years?

Angelina (difficult to explain, I hope you understand what I mean)

I think I can understand,yes.

Angelina if camryn stands behind the contract as much as i would it would be a solution

But does she like to use contracts to make the rules very clear and precise as much as you like it?

Angelina i think we just need more time.

Probably,yes.

Angelina she always wears the belt when she is with me, without a break and i get the keys. in most cases that will only be on the weekend, i.e. a maximum of 48 hours, but it can also be, for example, if she is with me during the summer holidays or if we should go on vacation that it lasts for 2 to 3 weeks.

Not too bad.It would make her start it slowly,and,after some times,could try if she can mange it on longer duration,without breaks for masturbation,and so,can guess if she's able to wear it permanently during a few years or not.But you should know well,that even if she think she's ready and you start the permanently wearing,she would have times when she would truly want it off,even if she would be a willingly wearer...

Sara2001 Maybe after a while you can give her the key in a closed envelope. You can tell her that it is perfectly fine to open it and that you will not be displeased by her if she opens the belt, but that you want to give her a chance to show you that she is really willing to wear it for you 24/7. So you would just give her an option without force and she can learn to live with the belt without a keyholder around.

Or allow her to use her emergency key for it,too.

Max9 I'd rather give her a keysafe that only you can open via app fof the case there's am emergency wgen you're not there.

A safe can be a good solution for an emergency key,yes.Even if she should be able to contact @Angelina when she needs it.

Angelina in the beginning (and that's why we will start with the 3 weeks holiday) i think it is better if i am with her. especially in the beginning it is very hard and i don't think she would keep it up if i am not with her.

I think you're right about it.

Angelina currently i am working on a contract for the times when she is with me, i don't want to say too much yet because we will talk about it calmly on the weekend and points can still change.

Would you summarize a bit for telling us the main points,or would you perfect to keep it private?

Angelina we want to find out what it would feel like for her if she lived like me. so she can shower herself

Logical she showers herself,if she wants to experience your situation,yes.

Angelina the bigger danger is that i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me. 😂

Sure!

Angelina i know i will have to exercise a lot of discipline, just like camryn. 😂

Do you think you would succeed?

Sara2001

I think this is a good way to try it. I hope it gives you the information you want and need to decide whatever is good for you.
Maybe after a while you can give her the key in a closed envelope. You can tell her that it is perfectly fine to open it and that you will not be displeased by her if she opens the belt, but that you want to give her a chance to show you that she is really willing to wear it for you 24/7. So you would just give her an option without force and she can learn to live with the belt without a keyholder around.

Max9

Sara2001 hmm that would be kinda cruel... like giving someone a piece of chocolate without the permition to eat it. I wouldn't do that. I'd rather give her a keysafe that only you can open via app fof the case there's am emergency wgen you're not there. It's way mlre humane.

Angelina

Sara2001

the idea is good, i will keep it in mind for the future. in the beginning (and that's why we will start with the 3 weeks holiday) i think it is better if i am with her. especially in the beginning it is very hard and i don't think she would keep it up if i am not with her.

Max9

the idea is also good, perhaps with a number code that i give her in an emergency or after a conversation.

short update
currently i am working on a contract for the times when she is with me, i don't want to say too much yet because we will talk about it calmly on the weekend and points can still change. it will be interesting when she signs the contract and i will supervise her showering on saturday and/or sunday morning (ok that sounds scary to myself now) 😂

Joh

Angelina supervise her showering on saturday and/or sunday morning (ok that sounds scary to myself now)

Can you trust her or will you wash her by yourself? 😉
This could be dangerous for you 😂

Max9

Angelina and i will supervise her showering on saturday and/or sunday morning (ok that sounds scary to myself now)

It will definitely be challenging for you because that's hell of a tease for you

Angelina

Joh Can you trust her or will you wash her by yourself? 😉
This could be dangerous for you 😂

no, we want to find out what it would feel like for her if she lived like me. so she can shower herself but i watch her. the bigger danger is that i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me. 😂

Max9 It will definitely be challenging for you because that's hell of a tease for you

i know i will have to exercise a lot of discipline, just like camryn. 😂

Joh

Angelina i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me

That I had in my mind if you wash her but is it already a big danger to see her .... challenging

Max9

Joh might lead into a one-sided sex relationship unwillingly @Angelina

Angelina

Joh That I had in my mind if you wash her but is it already a big danger to see her .... challenging

an extremely big challenge, but i try to stay disciplined 😂

Vanessa Big step and way harder than how she is used to wear the belt.Do you think she guess well how hard it would be for her to stop masturbating completely for years?

difficult to answer. sometimes she decides very spontaneously and out of her gut. that's why we have so many conversations.

Vanessa But does she like to use contracts to make the rules very clear and precise as much as you like it?

in this case, yes, she sees the necessity

Vanessa But you should know well,that even if she think she's ready and you start the permanently wearing,she would have times when she would truly want it off,even if she would be a willingly wearer...

i know that's why we need a little more time to talk about it. it's not an overnight decision.

Vanessa Would you summarize a bit for telling us the main points,or would you perfect to keep it private?

I'll write an update below 😉

Short update
Camryn and I had another long talk yesterday. We talked again about all the advantages and disadvantages of wearing the chastity belt. At the end of the conversation we came to a contract that includes the following

Point 1
Camryn wears the belt when she is with me, permanently while she is with me regardless of the length of her stay. I keep the key during the time. As soon as she is no longer with me, she gets the keys back

Point 2
Since mastubation is not allowed, I will monitor you while you shower (I will write something about it in a moment)

point 3
Mastubation is still allowed as long as it is not with me.

That all sounds very sober now, but believe me the discussion was very emotional and intense. The contract will run until August 17th (then the summer holidays will end and Camryn will go back to school). Until then, we want to clarify how we should proceed. Of course, the contract is even more detailed, I only write the most important things here

The supervised showering today was, by the way, very funny. Fortunately, it was very relaxed, even if I found it difficult not to touch her intimate areas, but I didn't want to make it harder for her than necessary 😉