Sara2001 Maybe some kind of writing agreement that includes the reasons why she should not be opened can help. She can give it to her to re-read it.

Yes,in this case,it can be useful.

Sara2001 Maybe in the beginning a waiting period can be helpful. So when she asked for an opening, there should be a waiting time, like 3 days, if she still wants it, she gets her opening.

Good idea too.A few days could make her able to manage her urges better and not need to open it.

Sara2001 still not going to far.

It could be a bit hard for them,I think.

Angelina yes, it would mean that she wears the belt just like me, i.e. permanently and only opened for hygienic reasons.

Big step and way harder than how she is used to wear the belt.Do you think she guess well how hard it would be for her to stop masturbating completely for years?

Angelina (difficult to explain, I hope you understand what I mean)

I think I can understand,yes.

Angelina if camryn stands behind the contract as much as i would it would be a solution

But does she like to use contracts to make the rules very clear and precise as much as you like it?

Angelina i think we just need more time.

Probably,yes.

Angelina she always wears the belt when she is with me, without a break and i get the keys. in most cases that will only be on the weekend, i.e. a maximum of 48 hours, but it can also be, for example, if she is with me during the summer holidays or if we should go on vacation that it lasts for 2 to 3 weeks.

Not too bad.It would make her start it slowly,and,after some times,could try if she can mange it on longer duration,without breaks for masturbation,and so,can guess if she's able to wear it permanently during a few years or not.But you should know well,that even if she think she's ready and you start the permanently wearing,she would have times when she would truly want it off,even if she would be a willingly wearer...

Sara2001 Maybe after a while you can give her the key in a closed envelope. You can tell her that it is perfectly fine to open it and that you will not be displeased by her if she opens the belt, but that you want to give her a chance to show you that she is really willing to wear it for you 24/7. So you would just give her an option without force and she can learn to live with the belt without a keyholder around.

Or allow her to use her emergency key for it,too.

Max9 I'd rather give her a keysafe that only you can open via app fof the case there's am emergency wgen you're not there.

A safe can be a good solution for an emergency key,yes.Even if she should be able to contact @Angelina when she needs it.

Angelina in the beginning (and that's why we will start with the 3 weeks holiday) i think it is better if i am with her. especially in the beginning it is very hard and i don't think she would keep it up if i am not with her.

I think you're right about it.

Angelina currently i am working on a contract for the times when she is with me, i don't want to say too much yet because we will talk about it calmly on the weekend and points can still change.

Would you summarize a bit for telling us the main points,or would you perfect to keep it private?

Angelina we want to find out what it would feel like for her if she lived like me. so she can shower herself

Logical she showers herself,if she wants to experience your situation,yes.

Angelina the bigger danger is that i can't keep my hands to myself when she is naked in front of me. 😂

Sure!

Angelina i know i will have to exercise a lot of discipline, just like camryn. 😂

Do you think you would succeed?

                                  Joh That I had in my mind if you wash her but is it already a big danger to see her .... challenging

                                  an extremely big challenge, but i try to stay disciplined 😂

                                  Vanessa Big step and way harder than how she is used to wear the belt.Do you think she guess well how hard it would be for her to stop masturbating completely for years?

                                  difficult to answer. sometimes she decides very spontaneously and out of her gut. that's why we have so many conversations.

                                  Vanessa But does she like to use contracts to make the rules very clear and precise as much as you like it?

                                  in this case, yes, she sees the necessity

                                  Vanessa But you should know well,that even if she think she's ready and you start the permanently wearing,she would have times when she would truly want it off,even if she would be a willingly wearer...

                                  i know that's why we need a little more time to talk about it. it's not an overnight decision.

                                  Vanessa Would you summarize a bit for telling us the main points,or would you perfect to keep it private?

                                  I'll write an update below 😉

                                  Short update
                                  Camryn and I had another long talk yesterday. We talked again about all the advantages and disadvantages of wearing the chastity belt. At the end of the conversation we came to a contract that includes the following

                                  Point 1
                                  Camryn wears the belt when she is with me, permanently while she is with me regardless of the length of her stay. I keep the key during the time. As soon as she is no longer with me, she gets the keys back

                                  Point 2
                                  Since mastubation is not allowed, I will monitor you while you shower (I will write something about it in a moment)

                                  point 3
                                  Mastubation is still allowed as long as it is not with me.

                                  That all sounds very sober now, but believe me the discussion was very emotional and intense. The contract will run until August 17th (then the summer holidays will end and Camryn will go back to school). Until then, we want to clarify how we should proceed. Of course, the contract is even more detailed, I only write the most important things here

                                  The supervised showering today was, by the way, very funny. Fortunately, it was very relaxed, even if I found it difficult not to touch her intimate areas, but I didn't want to make it harder for her than necessary 😉

                                              so, a quick update

                                              the first weekend is over and thanks to the holiday today, camryn has spent almost 72 hours in the belt. i would like to say that it was difficult but also very nice. camryn is very disciplined about it and to be honest i had to watch myself more than camryn. more than once i wanted to unlock her 😉 well, she got the keys and is now back at home. i don't know if she masturbates, but i think she deserves it and i assured her that she doesn't have to feel guilty.

                                              as i have already written the contract goes until august 17th, after that we will see, but it is also clear that there are only 3 possibilities. either we extend the contract to permanent chastity until marriage, we leave the contract as it is now or we leave camryn's belt behind us for good, which will probably lead to one-sided sex and the question if camryn can enjoy it without guilt.

                                                Angelina i know that's why we need a little more time to talk about it. it's not an overnight decision.

                                                Yes,you both have to think a lot about it.Trying it a bit before making it permanent use is a good idea.

                                                Angelina Short update
                                                Camryn and I had another long talk yesterday. We talked again about all the advantages and disadvantages of wearing the chastity belt. At the end of the conversation we came to a contract that includes the following

                                                Point 1
                                                Camryn wears the belt when she is with me, permanently while she is with me regardless of the length of her stay. I keep the key during the time. As soon as she is no longer with me, she gets the keys back

                                                Point 2
                                                Since mastubation is not allowed, I will monitor you while you shower (I will write something about it in a moment)

                                                point 3
                                                Mastubation is still allowed as long as it is not with me.

                                                The main points are covered,it is a good base for the trying.And she can know a bit how she would feel.

                                                Have you talked about spending two or three weeks together?I think it is very important,it would make her know if she can manage permanent wearing.

                                                Angelina The supervised showering today was, by the way, very funny. Fortunately, it was very relaxed,

                                                Good it was good for you both,and that you managed it well too!

                                                Angelina the first weekend is over and thanks to the holiday today, camryn has spent almost 72 hours in the belt. i would like to say that it was difficult but also very nice. camryn is very disciplined about it and to be honest i had to watch myself more than camryn. more than once i wanted to unlock her 😉

                                                She never asked you to unlock her?

                                                I understand it was not easy for you.

                                                Angelina there are only 3 possibilities

                                                Any guess about which one you would use?

                                                            Vanessa Have you talked about spending two or three weeks together?I think it is very important,it would make her know if she can manage permanent wearing.

                                                            I agree with that. Very important.

                                                            Angelina well, she got the keys and is now back at home.

                                                            Do you know if she opens the belt at home for more then cleaning? I think she needs experience in long term wearing.

                                                                  Vanessa Have you talked about spending two or three weeks together?I think it is very important,it would make her know if she can manage permanent wearing.

                                                                  as i said we will be spending 3 weeks together this summer, but at the moment camryn is still at school.

                                                                  this will be the dress rehearsal 😉

                                                                  Vanessa She never asked you to unlock her?

                                                                  no, she was very disciplined 😉

                                                                  Vanessa Any guess about which one you would use?

                                                                  no idea, that's why we want to take the time until mid august 😉

                                                                  Sara2001 Do you know if she opens the belt at home for more then cleaning?

                                                                  she has the belt and the keys. of course, she can train at home and try to wear the belt as long as possible, but as we have often found out, everyone without a key holder will eventually give up at some point. 😉

                                                                            Sara2001 Do you know if she opens the belt at home for more then cleaning? I think she needs experience in long term wearing.

                                                                            Probably.

                                                                            Angelina this will be the dress rehearsal 😉

                                                                            Yes,it would make you know if she can manage it.

                                                                            Angelina no, she was very disciplined 😉

                                                                            Let's hope she stays this way,it makes easier for you to follow the rules.Telling her "no" when she would ask you to open her belt would be hard...

                                                                            Angelina she can train at home and try to wear the belt as long as possible

                                                                            It would be helpful for her.

                                                                            Angelina everyone without a key holder will eventually give up at some point. 😉

                                                                            I think so,too.

                                                                                        Vanessa Let's hope she stays this way,it makes easier for you to follow the rules.Telling her "no" when she would ask you to open her belt would be hard...

                                                                                        that's why we need a contract, it's the first contract between the two of us but without it one of us will give up sooner or later.

                                                                                        i am curious how it will be this weekend, i will write an update on sunday evening 😉

                                                                                          such a quick update

                                                                                          the second weekend is done, camryn wore the belt for another 48 hours and we took the opportunity to talk about the whole topic again. I have known for a few months that camryn often felt guilty when she masturbated, but unfortunately the rules were set by my father at the time, camryn now wants to take the opportunity to be in control to give up control (I hope you understand what I mean) .

                                                                                          we then talked a lot about how camryn feels while masturbating. she says that she hadn't really enjoyed masturbating in the last few months, she told me that she actually only did it to satisfy her sexual instinct. means that she masturbated because the body said so.

                                                                                          Well, the subject of mastubation will be something that we will talk about a few more times until mid-August (i.e. until the end of our contract). because it is also clear that if camryn decides to wear the belt all the time, she should know what she is doing. it can be very hard and very difficult and it could also mean tension for our relationship. of course I have to agree to that too. if i am of the opinion that camryn is not ready yet i will not take the key. camryn sometimes makes gut decisions while I tend to plan. therefore, my assessment of long-term things (and that includes the permanent wearing of a chastity belt) is very important. I still don't know if I would be a good key holder. I hate my own belt and want to get out, but on the other hand I have to be a strict key holder who has to say no. that will only go with a contract that clarifies all the details.

                                                                                          We also talked about one-sided sex. i think if camryn hadn't had a belt from the start, she would no longer be a virgin today, it would definitely have happened at some point. but now we already have the belt and camryn had a lot of time to think about it. I think the way we currently manage it can work well until the wedding, because the question is of course whether she will have good memories of her first sex in the long term. I don't want her to tell me in a few years' time that we should have waited because she didn't think it was good to have this experience with me, or that she has any feelings of guilt. it would change something in our status if we had sex now. then camryn would no longer be a virgin but i would still be a virgin.

                                                                                          Difficult conversations and please excuse my little "soul striptease" I hope I understand what I am writing if not ask me

                                                                                            Angelina Difficult conversations and please excuse my little "soul striptease" I hope I understand what I am writing if not ask me

                                                                                            Very interesting development. From what I can read between the lines, she doesn't want the access to the key when she went back home. At least for the trial period.

                                                                                            From what you wrote, I think she would be happier if you modify your agreement and give her the key just in a closed envelope. So she wouldn't feel trapped, but could explore how it is to not follow the wishes of her body. She would also have the opportunity to be very proud when she gives you the closed envelope back on arrival.

                                                                                            I really have the feeling that she would be happy with such an agreement. It would definitely give you much more information.

                                                                                                Angelina All your thoughts show that you have the ability and responsibility to be a good keyholder. If you keep it you will do it fine.

                                                                                                    Sara2001 Very interesting development. From what I can read between the lines, she doesn't want the access to the key when she went back home. At least for the trial period.

                                                                                                    right she also tests it sometimes at home how long she can hold out, sometimes with more and sometimes with less success.

                                                                                                    Sara2001 From what you wrote, I think she would be happier if you modify your agreement and give her the key just in a closed envelope. So she wouldn't feel trapped, but could explore how it is to not follow the wishes of her body. She would also have the opportunity to be very proud when she gives you the closed envelope back on arrival.

                                                                                                    the basic idea is good, but i would prefer a box that is secured with a number code, then she can contact me and at least has to talk to me before she opens the box. this would increase the chances that she will be clear about what she really wants.

                                                                                                    Joh All your thoughts show that you have the ability and responsibility to be a good keyholder. If you keep it you will do it fine.

                                                                                                    thank you, although it is still very difficult for me to be a key holder while at the same time my feelings about my belt are rather negative.

                                                                                                            Angelina thank you, although it is still very difficult for me to be a key holder while at the same time my feelings about my belt are rather negative.

                                                                                                            Yes, it is difficult and it will be the whole time. You have the burden of responsibility and you have to be clear if you want to carry it all the time.
                                                                                                            You can also think about whether there is a way that you two have not yet thought of that is not so burdensome. Sometimes you just have to change your perspective to get new insights.

                                                                                                                Angelina

                                                                                                                You talked a lot,good decision.And I agree,more talks would be needed.

                                                                                                                I think it would be hard to be a strict keyholder as you've to wear it and hate it,and know how hard it can be for your girlfriend;but it is still manageable.Being very clear on your agreement when starting would be helpful,yes.

                                                                                                                I'm not totally sure it is so important to wait until marriage,and think to lose the virginity a bit before,at least,could be a good idea,as you know,but yes,if you have sex,it would change a bit your relationship,which could not necessarily be a bad thing.

                                                                                                                Angelina right she also tests it sometimes at home how long she can hold out

                                                                                                                Good idea,it helps her to know how she can manage it.

                                                                                                                Angelina the basic idea is good, but i would prefer a box that is secured with a number code, then she can contact me and at least has to talk to me before she opens the box. this would increase the chances that she will be clear about what she really wants.

                                                                                                                Don't you think she would feel more guilty,and it would hurt you a bit more,in this case(as you say it was the case for you both when she masturbated at your home,while you have to wait outside the room)?

                                                                                                                Angelina thank you, although it is still very difficult for me to be a key holder while at the same time my feelings about my belt are rather negative.

                                                                                                                It would not be easy,but I think you can manage it.

                                                                                                                          Joh You can also think about whether there is a way that you two have not yet thought of that is not so burdensome. Sometimes you just have to change your perspective to get new insights.

                                                                                                                          do you have any concrete ideas? otherwise i would say that the way we are currently going is a middle way. it is a middle way between remaining completely chaste and being completely free. but we have limited it for the time being in order to talk again, but it may also be that we keep this way.

                                                                                                                          Vanessa Don't you think she would feel more guilty,and it would hurt you a bit more,in this case(as you say it was the case for you both when she masturbated at your home,while you have to wait outside the room)?

                                                                                                                          no, on the contrary, i would be very happy if she would talk to me about her longings beforehand. if i would give her a sealed letter, there would only be two possibilities. either the letter would stay closed or she would open the letter. the box would create a contact between us before she would decide.

                                                                                                                          Vanessa .Being very clear on your agreement when starting would be helpful,yes.

                                                                                                                          that is why we need the contract

                                                                                                                          Vanessa I'm not totally sure it is so important to wait until marriage,

                                                                                                                          that's not the important point either, the important point is that we are in a relationship of equals and want to maintain the same status. if i didn't wear a belt, we wouldn't even be having this topic and i could delete the entire topic.

                                                                                                                                    Angelina do you have any concrete ideas?

                                                                                                                                    For an answer I have to read the whole topic again and sort out my thoughts.

                                                                                                                                        Joh For an answer I have to read the whole topic again and sort out my thoughts.

                                                                                                                                        no problem, you don't have to go to all that effort 🙂 we will think about it ourselves and if we think of something, we will write it here 🙂

                                                                                                                                          Angelina no, on the contrary, i would be very happy if she would talk to me about her longings beforehand. if i would give her a sealed letter, there would only be two possibilities. either the letter would stay closed or she would open the letter. the box would create a contact between us before she would decide.

                                                                                                                                          I think for a start, the envelope is very easy to create and very easy to check. Of course a box is more connecting.

                                                                                                                                              Sara2001 I think for a start, the envelope is very easy to create and very easy to check. Of course a box is more connecting.

                                                                                                                                              well, such a box would be more expensive, but that is not the main point. i am more concerned that if we are really serious, that we talk to each other before camryn makes the decision for or against the keys.

                                                                                                                                              PS: short update, due to a holiday day camryn is with me since yesterday, we are trying to make 4 days until sunday afternoon. so far it works, i hope it stays that way 😉