Vanessa Let's hope she stays this way,it makes easier for you to follow the rules.Telling her "no" when she would ask you to open her belt would be hard...
that's why we need a contract, it's the first contract between the two of us but without it one of us will give up sooner or later.
i am curious how it will be this weekend, i will write an update on sunday evening 
such a quick update
the second weekend is done, camryn wore the belt for another 48 hours and we took the opportunity to talk about the whole topic again. I have known for a few months that camryn often felt guilty when she masturbated, but unfortunately the rules were set by my father at the time, camryn now wants to take the opportunity to be in control to give up control (I hope you understand what I mean) .
we then talked a lot about how camryn feels while masturbating. she says that she hadn't really enjoyed masturbating in the last few months, she told me that she actually only did it to satisfy her sexual instinct. means that she masturbated because the body said so.
Well, the subject of mastubation will be something that we will talk about a few more times until mid-August (i.e. until the end of our contract). because it is also clear that if camryn decides to wear the belt all the time, she should know what she is doing. it can be very hard and very difficult and it could also mean tension for our relationship. of course I have to agree to that too. if i am of the opinion that camryn is not ready yet i will not take the key. camryn sometimes makes gut decisions while I tend to plan. therefore, my assessment of long-term things (and that includes the permanent wearing of a chastity belt) is very important. I still don't know if I would be a good key holder. I hate my own belt and want to get out, but on the other hand I have to be a strict key holder who has to say no. that will only go with a contract that clarifies all the details.
We also talked about one-sided sex. i think if camryn hadn't had a belt from the start, she would no longer be a virgin today, it would definitely have happened at some point. but now we already have the belt and camryn had a lot of time to think about it. I think the way we currently manage it can work well until the wedding, because the question is of course whether she will have good memories of her first sex in the long term. I don't want her to tell me in a few years' time that we should have waited because she didn't think it was good to have this experience with me, or that she has any feelings of guilt. it would change something in our status if we had sex now. then camryn would no longer be a virgin but i would still be a virgin.
Difficult conversations and please excuse my little "soul striptease" I hope I understand what I am writing if not ask me
Angelina Difficult conversations and please excuse my little "soul striptease" I hope I understand what I am writing if not ask me
Very interesting development. From what I can read between the lines, she doesn't want the access to the key when she went back home. At least for the trial period.
From what you wrote, I think she would be happier if you modify your agreement and give her the key just in a closed envelope. So she wouldn't feel trapped, but could explore how it is to not follow the wishes of her body. She would also have the opportunity to be very proud when she gives you the closed envelope back on arrival.
I really have the feeling that she would be happy with such an agreement. It would definitely give you much more information.
Sara2001 Very interesting development. From what I can read between the lines, she doesn't want the access to the key when she went back home. At least for the trial period.
right she also tests it sometimes at home how long she can hold out, sometimes with more and sometimes with less success.
Sara2001 From what you wrote, I think she would be happier if you modify your agreement and give her the key just in a closed envelope. So she wouldn't feel trapped, but could explore how it is to not follow the wishes of her body. She would also have the opportunity to be very proud when she gives you the closed envelope back on arrival.
the basic idea is good, but i would prefer a box that is secured with a number code, then she can contact me and at least has to talk to me before she opens the box. this would increase the chances that she will be clear about what she really wants.
Joh All your thoughts show that you have the ability and responsibility to be a good keyholder. If you keep it you will do it fine.
thank you, although it is still very difficult for me to be a key holder while at the same time my feelings about my belt are rather negative.
Angelina thank you, although it is still very difficult for me to be a key holder while at the same time my feelings about my belt are rather negative.
Yes, it is difficult and it will be the whole time. You have the burden of responsibility and you have to be clear if you want to carry it all the time.
You can also think about whether there is a way that you two have not yet thought of that is not so burdensome. Sometimes you just have to change your perspective to get new insights.
You talked a lot,good decision.And I agree,more talks would be needed.
I think it would be hard to be a strict keyholder as you've to wear it and hate it,and know how hard it can be for your girlfriend;but it is still manageable.Being very clear on your agreement when starting would be helpful,yes.
I'm not totally sure it is so important to wait until marriage,and think to lose the virginity a bit before,at least,could be a good idea,as you know,but yes,if you have sex,it would change a bit your relationship,which could not necessarily be a bad thing.
Angelina right she also tests it sometimes at home how long she can hold out
Good idea,it helps her to know how she can manage it.
Angelina the basic idea is good, but i would prefer a box that is secured with a number code, then she can contact me and at least has to talk to me before she opens the box. this would increase the chances that she will be clear about what she really wants.
Don't you think she would feel more guilty,and it would hurt you a bit more,in this case(as you say it was the case for you both when she masturbated at your home,while you have to wait outside the room)?
Angelina thank you, although it is still very difficult for me to be a key holder while at the same time my feelings about my belt are rather negative.
It would not be easy,but I think you can manage it.
Joh You can also think about whether there is a way that you two have not yet thought of that is not so burdensome. Sometimes you just have to change your perspective to get new insights.
do you have any concrete ideas? otherwise i would say that the way we are currently going is a middle way. it is a middle way between remaining completely chaste and being completely free. but we have limited it for the time being in order to talk again, but it may also be that we keep this way.
Vanessa Don't you think she would feel more guilty,and it would hurt you a bit more,in this case(as you say it was the case for you both when she masturbated at your home,while you have to wait outside the room)?
no, on the contrary, i would be very happy if she would talk to me about her longings beforehand. if i would give her a sealed letter, there would only be two possibilities. either the letter would stay closed or she would open the letter. the box would create a contact between us before she would decide.
Vanessa .Being very clear on your agreement when starting would be helpful,yes.
that is why we need the contract
Vanessa I'm not totally sure it is so important to wait until marriage,
that's not the important point either, the important point is that we are in a relationship of equals and want to maintain the same status. if i didn't wear a belt, we wouldn't even be having this topic and i could delete the entire topic.
Angelina no, on the contrary, i would be very happy if she would talk to me about her longings beforehand. if i would give her a sealed letter, there would only be two possibilities. either the letter would stay closed or she would open the letter. the box would create a contact between us before she would decide.
I think for a start, the envelope is very easy to create and very easy to check. Of course a box is more connecting.
Sara2001 I think for a start, the envelope is very easy to create and very easy to check. Of course a box is more connecting.
well, such a box would be more expensive, but that is not the main point. i am more concerned that if we are really serious, that we talk to each other before camryn makes the decision for or against the keys.
PS: short update, due to a holiday day camryn is with me since yesterday, we are trying to make 4 days until sunday afternoon. so far it works, i hope it stays that way
Angelina no, on the contrary, i would be very happy if she would talk to me about her longings beforehand. if i would give her a sealed letter, there would only be two possibilities. either the letter would stay closed or she would open the letter. the box would create a contact between us before she would decide.
I understand you,and I agree,it could be better if there is some contacts between you and your girlfriend before she opens the safe.
Angelina that's not the important point either, the important point is that we are in a relationship of equals and want to maintain the same status.
Do you think it could damage your relationship,otherwise?
Angelina PS: short update, due to a holiday day camryn is with me since yesterday, we are trying to make 4 days until sunday afternoon. so far it works, i hope it stays that way
Good opportunity to expand a bit the duration,and know how she manage it.
Vanessa Do you think it could damage your relationship,otherwise?
no i don't think so, but it would be camryn's first time having sex and i don't want her to regret it at some point because she feels selfish. i want it to be a complete pleasure and the best way to do that is for both of us to share the experience.
Vanessa Good opportunity to expand a bit the duration,and know how she manage it.
she did very well for the first 48 hours 
Short update
4 days with chastity belt are now over and Camryn is back at home and free
She has survived the four days relatively well, even though it was hard for her last night because she was clearly aroused. Not a nice feeling for both of us because it's a bit difficult to react to it. I know exactly what the solution to the problem would be (the keys), but of course I'm not allowed to give them to her (that's also in the contract). I turned on my mobile phone and played an online quiz with Camryn to distract her. This worked well, after 30 minutes she was more relaxed and we could go back to sleep. Now we'll see how it develops over the next few weeks, but at the moment we're generally happy with the way things are now
Angelina no i don't think so, but it would be camryn's first time having sex and i don't want her to regret it at some point because she feels selfish. i want it to be a complete pleasure and the best way to do that is for both of us to share the experience.
Understandable,and I think you can be right.
Angelina She has survived the four days relatively well, even though it was hard for her last night because she was clearly aroused.
Logical.
Angelina This worked well, after 30 minutes she was more relaxed and we could go back to sleep.
Good you find a way to manage it well!
Angelina Now we'll see how it develops over the next few weeks, but at the moment we're generally happy with the way things are now
The main test would be 2 to 3 weeks alone with your girlfriend,without taking her belt off except for showering...
Vanessa The main test would be 2 to 3 weeks alone with your girlfriend,without taking her belt off except for showering...
Yes, and I still think a way for her to try it during the week would make her decision even easier. I think a closed envelope could still help a lot, because it's very easy to use, she has full control in case of emergency or in case she want to stop this, she could experience the feeling of wearing it without being under your control, she could feel how it is to do it for herself with a choice and of course she could show you how much she is into it, when she gives you the closed envelope back after a week at home.
Vanessa The main test would be 2 to 3 weeks alone with your girlfriend,without taking her belt off except for showering...
of course, but at the moment camryn is still at school, in the summer holidays we will be together for 3 weeks, then it will be decided how it will go on after that.
Sara2001 Yes, and I still think a way for her to try it during the week would make her decision even easier. I think a closed envelope could still help a lot, because it's very easy to use, she has full control in case of emergency or in case she want to stop this, she could experience the feeling of wearing it without being under your control, she could feel how it is to do it for herself with a choice and of course she could show you how much she is into it, when she gives you the closed envelope back after a week at home.
i am still not a big fan of the envelopes, of course she can test it herself, as far as i know she is planning to do it this weekend. she will lock herself in the belt 24 hours before she is with me and then give me the keys. but the problem remains the same with the envelopes, either she opens the envelope or the envelope stays closed. there is no communication and communication is very important. i don't care if the envelope is open or closed at the end of the week, but i want to know what she feels, why she wants the keys and if i can convince her not to take the keys.
